Roch: There’s a growing sense that the Orioles are close to finding a veteran starting pitcher."

[Orioles0615]

1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:

I remember back during DD's first offseason, Roch made a post around this time that the O's were expected to announce a trade soon.  And speculation went rampant over who was going, who might be coming back, and all sorts of rumors.

The guy coming back ended up being Dana Eveland.  

And I remember people saying (myself included I think) that no, that can't be what he was talking about, that's not even worth making a post about.  Surely something bigger was in the works than a minor leaguer for Dana Eveland.  But then Roch confirmed, yes, that was the trade he was talking about.

Which is a long way of saying, forgive me if I don't get too interested over this one

Yup i remember it being huge news leading up to it, and DD saying we are very close to making a trade. Acting like we were getting some cy young winner

[jamalshw]

1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:

I remember back during DD's first offseason, Roch made a post around this time that the O's were expected to announce a trade soon.  And speculation went rampant over who was going, who might be coming back, and all sorts of rumors.

The guy coming back ended up being Dana Eveland.  

And I remember people saying (myself included I think) that no, that can't be what he was talking about, that's not even worth making a post about.  Surely something bigger was in the works than a minor leaguer for Dana Eveland.  But then Roch confirmed, yes, that was the trade he was talking about.

Which is a long way of saying, forgive me if I don't get too interested over this one

Except it wasn't around this time. It was during the winter meetings if I'm not mistaken...I was hoping for so much more.

[Beef Supreme]

The complaints about signing Tillman are
1. MLB contract
2. Guaranteed rotation spot
3. Guaranteed salary of $6MM or more

I don't think anyone would be complaining if they sign Tillman to a minor league deal.

[jamalshw]

1 minute ago, Beef Supreme said:

The complaints about signing Tillman are
1. MLB contract
2. Guaranteed rotation spot
3. Guaranteed salary of $6MM or more

I don't think anyone would be complaining if they sign Tillman to a minor league deal.

Agreed. I wouldn't be opposed to a Major League deal for him at this point, but that last part is the biggest issue for me. A low base Major League deal with heavy incentives is perfect. I would even be fine with a "near" guaranteed rotation spot. Essentially a "it's yours to lose" scenario. I'm just opposed to the idea of giving him a large base amount and then the team being unwilling to push him to the bullpen or DFA him if he's not performing by mid-May.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:

I remember back during DD's first offseason, Roch made a post around this time that the O's were expected to announce a trade soon.  And speculation went rampant over who was going, who might be coming back, and all sorts of rumors.

The guy coming back ended up being Dana Eveland.  

And I remember people saying (myself included I think) that no, that can't be what he was talking about, that's not even worth making a post about.  Surely something bigger was in the works than a minor leaguer for Dana Eveland.  But then Roch confirmed, yes, that was the trade he was talking about.

Which is a long way of saying, forgive me if I don't get too interested over this one

That trade was made at the Winter Meetings.    I think it was Dan’s first trade.    

The O’s picked Ryan Flaherty in the Rule 5 draft that same day.    Blockbuster day!

[Beef Supreme]

2 minutes ago, jamalshw said:

Agreed. I wouldn't be opposed to a Major League deal for him at this point, but that last part is the biggest issue for me. A low base Major League deal with heavy incentives is perfect. I would even be fine with a "near" guaranteed rotation spot. Essentially a "it's yours to lose" scenario. I'm just opposed to the idea of giving him a large base amount and then the team being unwilling to push him to the bullpen or DFA him if he's not performing by mid-May.

Right, they can give him $6MM in incentives for 180 IPs for all I care. They don't adjust to sunk costs well, which is why I want the base salary to be ~$1MM only.

 

[Redskins Rick]

25 minutes ago, Ripken said:

Can we get him 9 years ago?

[Beef Supreme]

Just now, Beef Supreme said:

Right, they can give him $6MM in incentives for 180 IPs for all I care. They don't adjust to sunk costs well, which is why I want the base salary to be ~$1MM only.

 

Tillman, that is.

[glenn__davis]

16 minutes ago, jamalshw said:

Except it wasn't around this time. It was during the winter meetings if I'm not mistaken...I was hoping for so much more.

Ah, you're right.  The point remains though!

[esmd]

1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

 

Damn good song right there.  Love me some 90's country.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, esmd said:

Damn good song right there.  Love me some 90's country.

Hard to go wrong with Toby!

[esmd]

I'm okay with Tillman.  I like Tillman, and I really hope he's healthy and able to return to form.  If he does it here, all the better.  But it can't be for anything other than a possible 5th starter.  They still need two other guys besides Tillman.  If it's just Tillman, or even Tillman and one other guy, they're setting themselves up for failure.  My biggest fear is that they'll continue to suffer from paralysis and they'll bring in no one.  Get ready for Gausman, Bundy, Wright, Cortes, and Castro as your rotation.

[Moose Milligan]

Really.  I mean if we're looking at a Steve Trachsel type,  I mean...I guess you gotta get someone out there every few days who can throw a ball towards home plate with a moderate velocity and questionable location.  

I just don't care anymore.

[Redskins Rick]

Ok, at this point, its like, fork the season.

Bring out the young arms, throw them to the wolves and see what happens.

Who knows, might even surprise some of the Nay Sayers.

 

[Dark Helmet]

The Orioles could sign one of Cobb/Lynn, Vargas, and Tillman and Jon Jay and still be below the payroll last year. Maybe even see if Jonathan Lucroy will sign a 1 year deal at C (since offensive players have had luck building up their value here). And call it an off-season.