Buck, Dan and ownership need to deal with the Davis issue first

[Babypowder]

1 hour ago, TheOtherRipken said:

Serious question, what has happened with CD and pitch recognition? I know bat speed is a contributing factor but something else is going on here. He looks lost at least half of the pitches of every at bat he has had this season.

It's the bat speed. He has to guess more because he can't catch up to the fastball now. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

No, it isn't. If you told any baseball fan outside the Baltimore area that, they'd spit out their drink. 

Even I, without a doubt one of the most negative posters here, have grossly overestimated the Orioles competency two years in a row now. We're all wearing different shades of orange glasses.

I will agree however that a lot of hindsight is being thrown around on the Davis deal. This forum was overwhelmingly in favor of the deal when it was signed and there are polls to prove it. Too many people are not remembering that now. There were only a few us who cautioned it could get bad quickly. Granted no one saw it going this bad, this quickly.

You really are a negative Nelly.

Lighten up Francis. 

[Luke-OH]

1 minute ago, Babypowder said:

No, it isn't. If you told any baseball fan outside the Baltimore area that, they'd spit out their drink. 

Even I, without a doubt one of the most negative posters here, have grossly overestimated the Orioles competency two years in a row now. We're all wearing different shades of orange glasses.

I will agree however that a lot of hindsight is being thrown around on the Davis deal. This forum was overwhelmingly in favor of the deal when it was signed and there are polls to prove it. Too many people are not remembering that now. There were only a few us who cautioned it could get bad quickly. Granted no one saw it going this bad, this quickly.

I was reading but not posting at that time and I remember (perhaps incorrectly) that more of the positive feelings were about PA opening his wallet to keep someone and less about it being a good deal/value.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Luke-OH said:

I was reading but not posting at that time and I remember (perhaps incorrectly) that more of the positive feelings were about PA opening his wallet to keep someone and less about it being a good deal/value.

That was certainly part of it.

I don't understand the mindset that spending poorly is somehow a good thing.

[Luke-OH]

11 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

That was certainly part of it.

I don't understand the mindset that spending poorly is somehow a good thing.

Neither do I, but that sentiment definitely exists in some quantity here and elsewhere in sports fandom.

[Babypowder]

12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

That was certainly part of it.

I don't understand the mindset that spending poorly is somehow a good thing.

There were also a few "It's not my money" takes. Those are always fun.

[Morgan423]

1 hour ago, TheOtherRipken said:

Serious question, what has happened with CD and pitch recognition? I know bat speed is a contributing factor but something else is going on here. He looks lost at least half of the pitches of every at bat he has had this season.

And last season. I was suspecting vision issues, but when your net worth is dozens of millions of dollars, I don't know why you'd even let that be an issue.

[tntoriole]

42 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

Davis hit .262/.361/.562/.923 with a league-leading 47 homers, 31 doubles, 117 RBIs and 100 Runs scored following his return from suspension. It's untrue he switched medication and instantly stunk, even if it feels good to believe it.

“Instantly” seldom happens with the brain.  Either way, he is a different performer now.  

[Moose Milligan]

26 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

No, it isn't. If you told any baseball fan outside the Baltimore area that, they'd spit out their drink. 

Even I, without a doubt one of the most negative posters here, have grossly overestimated the Orioles competency two years in a row now. We're all wearing different shades of orange glasses.

I will agree however that a lot of hindsight is being thrown around on the Davis deal. This forum was overwhelmingly in favor of the deal when it was signed and there are polls to prove it. Too many people are not remembering that now. There were only a few us who cautioned it could get bad quickly. Granted no one saw it going this bad, this quickly.

If I am wearing orange glasses, they are the deepest, darkest hue of orange imaginable.  Close to black, which represents my baseball soul.

Yes, we were all feeling good about the Davis deal at the time.  I do remember that.  I agree, no one thought it would be this bad, this quick.  I think people were most concerned with the final 2 years or so.

[atomic]

1 hour ago, MagicBird said:

Chris Davis had great power and carried this team many times.  He was one of the main pieces that made this team competitive.   They had to resign him.  How could u let him go and do the same for another team?  NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY posting here or anybody else knew this was coming.   So many here act as if they had some ability to ascertain the future in regard to Crush.  Yea it was a risk but so is every contract in MLB.   Hindsight says it was a huge mistake.   Looking at it now is totally different than when they signed him.

 

All the "heads need to roll" posts are ridiculous even if its just frustration and venting.  Everything in life doesnt work out and this is a prime example.  

I saw this coming.  He hit below .200 a year before his insane contract.  I figured we would get maybe one decent year out of him.  I don't understand the boards general fascination with Dave Kingman types.  First it was Mark Reynolds and then it was Chris Davis.  These guys are always going to turn out badly and are overrated by WAR.  

[Luke-OH]

3 minutes ago, atomic said:

I saw this coming.  He hit below .200 a year before his insane contract.  I figured we would get maybe one decent year out of him.  I don't understand the boards general fascination with Dave Kingman types.  First it was Mark Reynolds and then it was Chris Davis.  These guys are always going to turn out badly and are overrated by WAR.  

I was following you until the last part, what do you mean by that?

[Moose Milligan]

4 minutes ago, atomic said:

I saw this coming.  He hit below .200 a year before his insane contract.  I figured we would get maybe one decent year out of him.  I don't understand the boards general fascination with Dave Kingman types.  First it was Mark Reynolds and then it was Chris Davis.  These guys are always going to turn out badly and are overrated by WAR.  

WAR is like...the best stat EVER.  Don't disagree with WAR.

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

If I am wearing orange glasses, they are the deepest, darkest hue of orange imaginable.  Close to black, which represents my baseball soul.

Yes, we were all feeling good about the Davis deal at the time.  I do remember that.  I agree, no one thought it would be this bad, this quick.  I think people were most concerned with the final 2 years or so.

I'll agree that no one thought it would be this bad.  This is like 1% probability type bad.  This might be the worst collapse of a position player that continues to play.

But a pretty vocal minority thought it was a very bad idea and were content to have Trumbo take over first base duties.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Luke-OH said:

I was following you until the last part, what do you mean by that?

 

That he doesn't understand WAR.

[Luke-OH]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

 

That he doesn't understand WAR.

That was my initial thought, but I wanted to give him the chance to explain his thinking.