Jump to content

What’s the consensus about Schoop?

InsideCoroner

By InsideCoroner
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 66
  • Created
  • Last Reply
Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

Frobby

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

I see you went to the game. What was the percentage of Red Sox fans?

Actually, not that high.   I was pleasantly surprised.    I think a lot of O’s fans came for the bobblehead.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildbillhiccup Hangout Grand Counsel

wildbillhiccup

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Frobby said:

No, he gave Manny a pass but not Schoop.   Said he got bad advice from his agent.   

Schoop's a grown man. He should be able to make his own decisions. Skipping FanFest was just him passively aggressively supporting his buddy, Manny. And we're still talking about it because he hasn't given us a reason to forget it (i.e., he's seriously under performing).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
esmd All-Star

esmd

Posted
Posted

I'd consider moving him if he can get back in a grove at the plate.  He had a career year last year, and if he can get going offensively, you'll be selling high.  He'll be a 27 year old pending FA next season.  The likelihood of him resigning isn't good, especially if they have the fire sale this year and go young as they should next year.  The time to move him for the best value is at this years deadline or this offseason.  You just have to hope that he rebounds at the plate to re-establish the value he had after last season.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jtschrei Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

jtschrei

Posted
Posted

Does anyone seriously think the O's would do a total reboot and trade all their semi-young guys? No way. They're not trading Schoop. The organization doesn't do that kind of plan. 

We'd be selling low on Schoop if we traded him now anyway. Last year, he looked like budding superstar. I don't know what the problem is but it seems like the coaching is not helping. And yet no changes are made. Sigh.... 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SteveA Hangout Grand Counsel

SteveA

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Schoop should be shopped.  If he plays this poorly next year, would he even be extended a qualifying offer?  Whether he is offered one or not, I don't think the O's would extend it if he's playing like this.  We need to shop him now, or it may be no return at all.  I bet someone would bite on him now even as poorly as he's playing. 

 

No to an extension.  Time to clear payroll.  No current player should be on this roster two years from now if we hope to head in positive direction.  I think even Bundy and Mancini should be shopped at this point if there is a positive return.  Sisco would be the only player on the current 25 (maybe Hess and Castro, but even they aren't future game changers in my opinion) who I would like to see on our 2020 roster if we hope to be headed in the right direction.  Everyone else needs to be traded or waived.

So you want to trade him while is value is way lower than it has been in a while?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SteveA Hangout Grand Counsel

SteveA

Posted
Posted

I've never been a "fire the coach" guy.   I think it's scapegoating at its worst.   But Schoop and Mancini were two of our best hitters last year and they stink right now.   We have another guy who is historically bad.    And while I don't blame it all, or even most of it, on Coolbaugh, at some point you have to send a message and have some semblance of accountability.

The only problem is that the likely successor is the assistant hitting coach.   And if there is a problem, he is probably as much a part of it as Coolbaugh.

Also, don't fire Coolbaugh TODAY.   Wait until after his birthday.   Do it tomorrow.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SteveA Hangout Grand Counsel

SteveA

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not at all sure player trade values fluctuate that much.

Filing this post away for the next time the Orioles trade for someone who is having a good season and you criticism them for buying high (i.e. Parra).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

Can_of_corn

Posted
Posted
Just now, SteveA said:

Filing this post away for the next time the Orioles trade for someone who is having a good season and you criticism them for buying high (i.e. Parra).

They didn't spend a lot on Parra. 

I just didn't want him at all.

They traded one close to the majors pitcher who wasn't in the top 100, and wasn't seen as being in the top five of a fairly weak Orioles prospect list.  Sure it hurt the O's because Parra was awful and they ended up needing major league ready starting pitching.

I don't think Dan was so much suckered into Parra's season as he was desperate to find a solution to RF.

 

Just checked, Davies is having a rough year eh?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ScGO's All-Star

ScGO's

Posted
Posted
22 minutes ago, SteveA said:

So you want to trade him while is value is way lower than it has been in a while?

Kinda.  Only because his value may never get higher than it is now, which isn't great, I know.   But there still has to be some shine left from his season last year, where someone would want to snatch him up.  At least I would think.  It's mostly because I'm all in on a complete fire sale, active roster and upper management (and wishfully, ownership).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ohfan67 Hangout Grand Counsel

Ohfan67

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, InsideCoroner said:

If he’s playing hurt (?), that at least would help explain his complete collapse. 5.2 fWAR last year, this year on track for -0.5. That’s as big a projected drop as with Davis, yet I hear little said about him (probably because he’s playing next to Davis).

Their drops are not discussed similarly because Schoop's drop takes him to near zero (which is very bad), but Davis' drop takes him significantly below zero to historically bad. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildbillhiccup Hangout Grand Counsel

wildbillhiccup

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Kinda.  Only because his value may never get higher than it is now, which isn't great, I know.   But there still has to be some shine left from his season last year, where someone would want to snatch him up.  At least I would think.  It's mostly because I'm all in on a complete fire sale, active roster and upper management (and wishfully, ownership).

Man oh man I sure hope you aren't managing one of my mutual funds. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
atomic Hangout Grand Counsel

atomic

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, SteveA said:

I've never been a "fire the coach" guy.   I think it's scapegoating at its worst.   But Schoop and Mancini were two of our best hitters last year and they stink right now.   We have another guy who is historically bad.    And while I don't blame it all, or even most of it, on Coolbaugh, at some point you have to send a message and have some semblance of accountability.

 The only problem is that the likely successor is the assistant hitting coach.   And if there is a problem, he is probably as much a part of it as Coolbaugh.

 Also, don't fire Coolbaugh TODAY.   Wait until after his birthday.   Do it tomorrow.

He might like to have his birthday off to celebrate with family and friends. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • Punchandjudy
      Joey Ortiz 2024

      By Punchandjudy · Posted

      Not for someone who has money riding on him winning the award.
    • Cheetos
      Are we actually 27-14 with the highest runs/game in the AL?

      By Cheetos · Posted

      Well, now that we’ve established the hitting sucks, is it a good time to complain that this pitching is obviously over performing and will crash and burn any day now?
    • bpilktree
      Bullpen 2024

      By bpilktree · Posted

      The bullpen has much more depth this year than last year but it just feels like you don’t know who will be the guy each night.  Last year it was get to the 8th and you knew it was Cano and Bautista and lights out.  This year it doesn’t seem to be set roles especially with Kimberly strugggles and out as clasper for now possibly.  I also think Hyde gets a lot of grief about how he handles the bullpen but I think he has been great at looking at the game situation and with who he wants facing what guys.  Cano might come in the 6th one night then close the next, same with Webb or even Coulumbe.  I know a lot of it is analytics but as a group they make a plan and seem to stick with it instead of some managers that have 7 inning guy an 8th inning guy and closer and don’t deviate much.  
    • Spy Fox
      Austin Hays 2024

      By Spy Fox · Posted

      On the replay you can see that Julio was lightly jogging after the ball-- either assuming the RF would get it, or assuming Hays wouldn't run. Good on Hays for taking advantage and turning it into a double. 
    • bpilktree
      Are we actually 27-14 with the highest runs/game in the AL?

      By bpilktree · Posted

      I think in general people are more negative in life not just in sports and they need to blame someone or something.  In previous years we had a scapegoat in Peter and John.  Elias didn’t go out and make a trade it was because he didn’t have the money to go get anyone or the owner didn’t want to spend.  Now for the most part people seem to think new ownership will give the ok to spend more so now if we don’t do it it is on Elias, Sig, and Hyde for not getting best out of the players.  We dint make a big trade last year and most people just went with well John is cheap we don’t do what they want now it will fall on Elias more then last year in peoples eyes imo.  
    • Cuellar35
      Bullpen 2024

      By Cuellar35 · Posted

      Mike Baumann.  An enigma wrapped in a conundrum.  Ride the wave!
    • bpilktree
      Are we actually 27-14 with the highest runs/game in the AL?

      By bpilktree · Posted

      The Yankees have been extremely healthy on offense as well.  If that somehow happens all year they will be right there with us but if I was a betting man I don’t think Judge, Stanton, Rizzo can stay healthy all year and they have very little depth behind those guys.  Besides Adley we have guys at every other position that can fill in if someone goes down.  There might be a drop some but I don’t think it would be catastrophic like losing Judge or Soto.  

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...