Can We Hit a Pause Button with the Personal Attacks on Players? Let's Focus on the Big Picture.

[Can_of_corn]

18 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

No argument but there is no sense in bringing up Mullings when he isn’t ready.

I think things can be learned at the ML level that can't be taught in the minors.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Rene88 said:

Well you could have said that 2 years ago? But bigger picture is his bat isnt ready. 

Agreed.    Would love to have his defense up here, but we can’t have him batting .083 like he is in Norfolk.  It’s been less than a week there, so hopefully he’ll get it together in the coming weeks.  

[TradeAngelos]

3 hours ago, Rene88 said:

We follow sports because it is a break from the ordinary stressors in life. I get we are terrible. I saw failure coming after the Britton trade was blocked, writing on the wall....more ownership meddling but even I am shocked HOW bad we are. Kinda speechless, but it may be a blessing in disguise if executed properly.

And I know Davis is just awful, but he is a human being. He didn't steal the money. He was offered the money after DD didn't want to give it (our GM that was supposed to be in charge but clearly isn't). BUCK is the guy that went to Angelos. Why aren't people upset with Buck? Calling him names? And honestly it isn't his fault either-it's awful dysfunction. No chain of command.

Then I see people spiking the football on Hunter Harvey. He is worse than Hayden Penn from a health perspective....I knew he couldn't stay healthy...(I thought this about Bundy honestly and I was wrong, so let's not jump to collusions). First off, I wish I had 1/5 the talent of either Hayden Penn or Hunter Harvey. Second, Harvey is still young. Let's not give up quite yet there (separate issue from Davis IMO).

I am not trying to troll here but I think a point needs to be made. These are human beings. I am not saying we can't criticze them but really who gave Davis the contract? Who drafted a projected utility all-glove, limited hit SS in the first round this year? We need to hold ownership responsible, not Chris Davis. 

This organization has not invested in international talent (look down the road and Juan Soto...a think of beauty at 19...international free agent signing). The org letting Buck bring in his own staff despite jettisoning much much much better coaches (Rick Kranitz comes to mind). The Manager going over the head of the GM to get Chris Davis signed? The lack of investment in scouting and scouts in general?

I know most don't mean harm, really. I get it. Let's just focus less on personal attacks of the players and focus on the big picture about how this org is broken and perhaps if we could refocus our energy to the FO on writing letters, emails. We might do some good. And I am not trying to be hollier than thou because I have bashed many a player (Gentry comes to mind because he seems like a swell guy but thought he didn't belong on the roster) so I will try to focus myself as well.

End this dysfunction and let's hope we execute some good trades for the future. We aren't competing with the Sox or Yankees in the near term regardless so let's do this rebuild right and fix what is broken.

Go Orioles.

 

Can we hit the pause button on personal attacks against General Managers? (you seem to be good at that) Let's focus on the big picture.

Go Orioles.

[Moose Milligan]

Everyone sucks.  The players suck, management, FO, they all suck.  Ownership sucks AND blows.

Go Birds.

 

[Moose Milligan]

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

We can still drop subtle digs at other posters right?

Oh, you suck too.

(maybe not subtle enough, amirite?)

[OFFNY]

15 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

 

Everyone sucks. The players suck, management sucks, the FO sucks, they all suck. Ownership sucks AND blows.

Go, Birds.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

We can also still drop subtle digs at other posters, right ???

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

 

Oh, you suck, too.

 

o

 

I'm OK, You're OK

 

Thomas Anthony Harris, 1967

 

I Suck, You Suck

 

George Carlin, 1981

 

o

[El Gordo]

On 6/9/2018 at 1:13 PM, weams said:

I don't know that that has been refuted, has it been? 

Palmer has a tendency to be glib. I take what he says with a grain of salt.

[Reboulet'sStache]

I can't bring myself to hate on Davis or any of them.  This was to be expected.  Hating on Davis or Cobb or any of these guys for struggling, would be like getting upset at a turtle for walking slowly.  I'm more upset at management, Buck, and the fan base that called for such signings and moves.  

[DirtyBird]

Terrible thread.

[allquixotic]

You know what's far more injurious to the Orioles than hating on them?

Ignoring them.

Without a paying fanbase, the team is nothing. NOTHING. Boycotting the games, refusing to pay for MASN on cable, canceling your MLB.TV subscription and putting in the reason "the Orioles suck" -- if thousands upon thousands do these things, it will hurt the MLB and the Orioles. And they should be hurting. They deserve to be as financially punished as possible for their ineptitude, because that's the only thing they understand. A serious hit to their bottom line is the only way the masses can influence the behavior or decisions of the ruling class.

And yes, MLB itself deserves to hurt maximally for this as well. This is on the system as much as it is on our guys and our management. The MLB's spineless handouts to the players and the MLBPA need to stop. The union should be disbanded and contracts should be 95% performance-based with a minimal living wage and top-notch health insurance whether they're injured or playing. Davis should be making $90k a year right now, not millions. If the struggle is real, then struggle harder and earn your pay.

[spiritof66]

On 6/9/2018 at 11:05 AM, Rene88 said:

.  .  .

I am not trying to troll here but I think a point needs to be made. These are human beings. I am not saying we can't criticze them but really who gave Davis the contract? Who drafted a projected utility all-glove, limited hit SS in the first round this year? We need to hold ownership responsible, not Chris Davis. 

This organization has not invested in international talent (look down the road and Juan Soto...a think of beauty at 19...international free agent signing). The org letting Buck bring in his own staff despite jettisoning much much much better coaches (Rick Kranitz comes to mind). The Manager going over the head of the GM to get Chris Davis signed? The lack of investment in scouting and scouts in general?

.  .  . 

How the hell do we do that? I have no doubt that Peter Angelos' arrogance, ignorance, cowardice, inability to accept the expertise or differing opinions of employees, and (more recently) indecisiveness and disinterest in the team's welfare beyond the present and immediate future have been the source of many of this team's problems. I've been saying things like that for close to two decades. Angelos's health situation may have made things a little different, but in a way even worse: uncertainty as to whether he remains the decision-maker or his sons have the authority to take or approve decisions may be thwarting the team from taking action at a time when action is needed.

It's been quite a while since I've seen anything in the media, or on this board, defending Peter Angelos.

But it's his team, and he always has been and still is free to screw it up as much as he likes. So what do we do?  Not go to games? How could anyone tell the difference? Go, but carry signs, or wear bags on our heads, or chant "Angelos must go" or something even earthier, or stage (another) walkout? Would anyone in the Warehouse care, or even notice? 

It would really like to hold ownership accountable. But I don't have any idea how to accomplish that.

[weams]

2 hours ago, El Gordo said:

Palmer has a tendency to be glib. I take what he says with a grain of salt.

I apologize to you . I thought that other account was someone mocking you and not your alter account. I merged them. 

[Hank Scorpio]

Try watching reruns of the Office or something instead. It’s much more entertaining/gratifying. 

[atomic]

On 6/9/2018 at 12:00 PM, Frobby said:

I think there’s a difference between critiquing a player’s abilities (which includes the ability to stay healthy) and a “personal attack” on a player.   To me, a personal attack means attacking the player’s character, work ethic, hustle, etc.    Whereas saying a guy has lost bat speed or can’t hit a curve ball is something else entirely.     

Why would it be wrong to criticize a  players hustle?  If he isn't running out ground balls he should be called out for it. 

[atomic]

On 6/9/2018 at 11:05 AM, Rene88 said:

We follow sports because it is a break from the ordinary stressors in life. I get we are terrible. I saw failure coming after the Britton trade was blocked, writing on the wall....more ownership meddling but even I am shocked HOW bad we are. Kinda speechless, but it may be a blessing in disguise if executed properly.

And I know Davis is just awful, but he is a human being. He didn't steal the money. He was offered the money after DD didn't want to give it (our GM that was supposed to be in charge but clearly isn't). BUCK is the guy that went to Angelos. Why aren't people upset with Buck? Calling him names? And honestly it isn't his fault either-it's awful dysfunction. No chain of command.

Then I see people spiking the football on Hunter Harvey. He is worse than Hayden Penn from a health perspective....I knew he couldn't stay healthy...(I thought this about Bundy honestly and I was wrong, so let's not jump to collusions). First off, I wish I had 1/5 the talent of either Hayden Penn or Hunter Harvey. Second, Harvey is still young. Let's not give up quite yet there (separate issue from Davis IMO).

I am not trying to troll here but I think a point needs to be made. These are human beings. I am not saying we can't criticze them but really who gave Davis the contract? Who drafted a projected utility all-glove, limited hit SS in the first round this year? We need to hold ownership responsible, not Chris Davis. 

This organization has not invested in international talent (look down the road and Juan Soto...a think of beauty at 19...international free agent signing). The org letting Buck bring in his own staff despite jettisoning much much much better coaches (Rick Kranitz comes to mind). The Manager going over the head of the GM to get Chris Davis signed? The lack of investment in scouting and scouts in general?

I know most don't mean harm, really. I get it. Let's just focus less on personal attacks of the players and focus on the big picture about how this org is broken and perhaps if we could refocus our energy to the FO on writing letters, emails. We might do some good. And I am not trying to be hollier than thou because I have bashed many a player (Gentry comes to mind because he seems like a swell guy but thought he didn't belong on the roster) so I will try to focus myself as well.

End this dysfunction and let's hope we execute some good trades for the future. We aren't competing with the Sox or Yankees in the near term regardless so let's do this rebuild right and fix what is broken.

Go Orioles.

 

I might have you mistaken for someone else but weren't you the one  insulting DD even when we were winning?

Anyway we have the worst team in Oriole's history along with the highest payroll.  You should expect the players to be criticized and put-down.  A lot of the highest paid guys couldn't even be bothered to be at fan feast.  Really the only player I think that is really concerned about winning  is Adam Jones.   

I am no longer angry about Chris Davis. I think of him as comic relief on our terrible season.  I know he has always been about padding his stats and not a team player.  Before this season it made me angry.  But now he has just become a punch-line.  If he keeps it up he will have plenty of National media attention.  People will be mocking him all over the league and with every sporting publication.  

People seem very fickle. One day Bundy was untouchable as a trade piece.  A day later he was to be traded for a minor prospect.  Selock is our number 1 prospect next he isn't even in the top 20. 

Anyway if a player plays solid defense, runs out every sure out, hits the opposite way, moves the runner over,  doesn't strike out constantly and works the count he will get my praise no matter how badly he hits.  Well no one does this and this is why we are in last place in the league.  We could use a player like Markakis who was always team first.