Grade the Gausman Deal

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Flash- bd said:

Even if they spend it on Víctor Víctor, is it even a good enough return? 

For it to be upgraded from a F?

Sure.

[Flash- bd]

Haha indeed. Is it a good enough return in general though? Better than a D or a C? 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Flash- bd said:

Haha indeed. Is it a good enough return in general though? Better than a D or a C? 

I don't see this trade as being better than a C in the eyes of fans. 

After all we won't see if their is a benefit to shedding the O'Day salary.

[Hallas]

47 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't see this trade as being better than a C in the eyes of fans. 

After all we won't see if their is a benefit to shedding the O'Day salary.

I’m at C, but I’m probably a generous grader.  (Curve to b- average.) I’m willing to give fair credit for the O’Day salary dump. I’m just not excited about the other prospects.  I also think we assigned too much value to the slot money, because I think the trade worked out to something like $35-$40 million future value in exchange for Gausman’s projected surplus of $45 million.  Also, the primary reason I’m at C is because I am assuming we will do something useful with the slot money.  If that goes down the toilet then it’s a D or F.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Hallas said:

I’m at C, but I’m probably a generous grader.  (Curve to b- average.) I’m willing to give fair credit for the O’Day salary dump. I’m just not excited about the other prospects.  I also think we assigned too much value to the slot money, because I think the trade worked out to something like $35-$40 million future value in exchange for Gausman’s projected surplus of $45 million.  Also, the primary reason I’m at C is because I am assuming we will do something useful with the slot money.  If that goes down the toilet then it’s a D or F.

I'm at incomplete until we see what happens with the slot money.

[wildbillhiccup]

14 hours ago, Hallas said:

I’m at C, but I’m probably a generous grader.  (Curve to b- average.) I’m willing to give fair credit for the O’Day salary dump. I’m just not excited about the other prospects.  I also think we assigned too much value to the slot money, because I think the trade worked out to something like $35-$40 million future value in exchange for Gausman’s projected surplus of $45 million.  Also, the primary reason I’m at C is because I am assuming we will do something useful with the slot money.  If that goes down the toilet then it’s a D or F.

Why was dumping O'Day's salary so important? I could understand it more if we were able to dump Trumbo or Davis, but O'Day is only under contract for one more year right? I just can't wrap my head around why ridding the team of his salary was more important than acquiring "quality" prospects. 

[99ct]

10 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Why was dumping O'Day's salary so important? I could understand it more if we were able to dump Trumbo or Davis, but O'Day is only under contract for one more year right? I just can't wrap my head around why ridding the team of his salary was more important than acquiring "quality" prospects. 

I think it's probably possible to put a $ value on prospects. I'm not sure how that calculus works, though.

[Br10n]

FYI - O’Day and Trumbo are both free agents after 2019.  The contracts are not that different. 

[Aglets]

Interesting how Gausman has his first real stinker start of the year for ATL (4.2 IP,  7 H, 4 ER, 4 BB)   and it doesn't even appear on this thread.

Do people here actually enjoy bashing the O's for bad trades?   And it's like.........disappointing when it goes the other way?

[wildcard]

43 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Interesting how Gausman has his first real stinker start of the year for ATL (4.2 IP,  7 H, 4 ER, 4 BB)   and it doesn't even appear on this thread.

Do people here actually enjoy bashing the O's for bad trades?   And it's like.........disappointing when it goes the other way?

Don't mistake disappointment in the the Gausman trade return for enjoy the fact that it was a stupid trade.

There has been discussion on the OH about Gausman's loss.  Just not in this thread.

[Aglets]

Gotcha.   There are two threads on the main forums page that reference the Gausman trade and I didn't see the loss mentioned in either one.  And I don't really think it's a coincidence.

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Gotcha.   There are two threads on the main forums page that reference the Gausman trade and I didn't see the loss mentioned in either one.  And I don't really think it's a coincidence.

I remember posting about the loss.  I don't know which thread it was in.   Discussions get started in the middle on threads and they are not always that easy to find.

[Ruzious]

19 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Gotcha.   There are two threads on the main forums page that reference the Gausman trade and I didn't see the loss mentioned in either one.  And I don't really think it's a coincidence.

LOL, we're supposed to post about every game Gausman pitches?  Methinks you're seeing what you want to see, and there's a little paranoia in what you want to see.  

[wildbillhiccup]

2 hours ago, Br10n said:

FYI - O’Day and Trumbo are both free agents after 2019.  The contracts are not that different. 

The difference is that O'Day isn't blocking anyone. Trumbo's also makes managing the team more challenging because he's another DH who can't really play the field. And I think O'Day would have been more likely to make a positive contribution to the team (in 2019) than Trumbo. So I hear what you're saying, but I don't think it's quite an apples to apples comparison. 

[Aglets]

11 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

LOL, we're supposed to post about every game Gausman pitches?  Methinks you're seeing what you want to see, and there's a little paranoia in what you want to see.  

A fair debate would be posting about all the games at roughly equal frequency with perhaps a bit extra attention paid to games that go against the established narrative.

Fun fact, there are 15 teams in the National League and if you rank all of them by offensive production,  Gausman has faced #12, #8, #10 twice, #15 twice and #9.

It would be an absolute shock if his overall numbers weren't significantly improved after the trade basically by default, for one thing.    Kinda like what's going on with Chris Archer right now I guess......that is pretty weird.

I do believe that Gausman will put up better numbers in ATL than he did here but I don't really think this is another Arrieta situation.