Interesting FAs

[wildbillhiccup]

Palmer was stirring the pot on his Twitter page yesterday. This was his original tweet. He also replied to several people that made comments. 

https://twitter.com/Jim22Palmer/status/1094585618288570368

Someone asked if I owned the O’s for a day,what would I do.Sign Manny,Bryce for 7 years at 35 mil a year.Just a http://thought.Build  around them with int. picks,US draft picks in 2019 . probably wouldn’t sign,+O’s would be at last year’s salary level #justsayin @masnOrioles

[wildcard]

9 minutes ago, interloper said:

I thought he rejected Philly, no?

You are right.  It was the Phillies.  Thanks for the correction.

It was reported that the Indians were interested in Jones at the trade deadline also.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/orioles-indians-have-discussed-adam-jones-trade.html

[Enjoy Terror]

<p>
3-Year Available Free Agent Position Player fWAR (min 500 PA)

Name			PA	WAR
Manny Machado		2095	15.1
Bryce Harper		1814	11.2
Jose Iglesias		1466	6.4
Marwin Gonzalez		1585	5.9
Mike Moustakas		1346	5.3
Derek Dietrich		1427	4.7
Logan Forsythe		1422	4.3
Adam Jones		1920	4.3
Carlos Gonzalez		1670	4.3
Chase Headley		1175	4.1
Cameron Maybin		1225	4.1
Josh Harrison		1438	4.1
Denard Span		1680	3.9
Evan Gattis		1275	3.7
Logan Morrison		1358	3.0
Martin Maldonado	1128	2.8
Ryan Schimpf		534	2.6
Jose Reyes		1091	2.6
Matt Wieters		1200	2.3
Brandon Phillips	1215	2.3
Adeiny Hechavarria	1216	2.3
Brad Miller		1262	2.3
Hanley Ramirez		1368	2.3
Yangervis Solarte	1461	2.1
Jose Bautista		1602	2.1
Carlos Gomez		1287	1.4
Melvin Upton Jr.	539	1.3
Matt Holliday		918	0.9
Brandon Moss		865	0.8
Austin Jackson		896	0.8
Danny Valencia		1299	0.7
Darwin Barney		668	0.6
Adam Lind		731	0.5
Alcides Escobar		1842	0.4
Chris Carter		852	0.4
Chris Young		631	0.3
Adrian Gonzalez		1072	0.0
Caleb Joseph		687	-0.5
Ryan Rua		560	-0.5
Ben Revere		683	-1.0
Gerardo Parra		1249	-1.1
Trevor Plouffe		669	-1.3
</p>

This is a list of 43 players out of 105 total that are free agent position players; they meet the 500 PAs over the last three years qualifier for this list.

[Il BuonO]

2 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

<p>
3-Year Available Free Agent Position Player fWAR (min 500 PA)

Name			PA	WAR
Manny Machado		2095	15.1
Bryce Harper		1814	11.2
Jose Iglesias		1466	6.4
Marwin Gonzalez		1585	5.9
Mike Moustakas		1346	5.3
Derek Dietrich		1427	4.7
Logan Forsythe		1422	4.3
Adam Jones		1920	4.3
Carlos Gonzalez		1670	4.3
Chase Headley		1175	4.1
Cameron Maybin		1225	4.1
Josh Harrison		1438	4.1
Denard Span		1680	3.9
Evan Gattis		1275	3.7
Logan Morrison		1358	3.0
Martin Maldonado	1128	2.8
Ryan Schimpf		534	2.6
Jose Reyes		1091	2.6
Matt Wieters		1200	2.3
Brandon Phillips	1215	2.3
Adeiny Hechavarria	1216	2.3
Brad Miller		1262	2.3
Hanley Ramirez		1368	2.3
Yangervis Solarte	1461	2.1
Jose Bautista		1602	2.1
Robbie Grossman		1310	2.1
Carlos Gomez		1287	1.4
Melvin Upton Jr.	539	1.3
Matt Holliday		918	0.9
Brandon Moss		865	0.8
Austin Jackson		896	0.8
Danny Valencia		1299	0.7
Darwin Barney		668	0.6
Adam Lind		731	0.5
Alcides Escobar		1842	0.4
Chris Carter		852	0.4
Chris Young		631	0.3
Adrian Gonzalez		1072	0.0
Caleb Joseph		687	-0.5
Ryan Rua		560	-0.5
Ben Revere		683	-1.0
Gerardo Parra		1249	-1.1
Trevor Plouffe		669	-1.3
</p>

 

Interesting Iglesias is higher than M Gonzalez, who was considered to be getting a 3-4 year deal.

[Enjoy Terror]

23 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Interesting Iglesias is higher than M Gonzalez, who was considered to be getting a 3-4 year deal.

Iglesias is also a year younger *shrug*

[LookinUp]

On 2/10/2019 at 5:21 PM, Moose Milligan said:

For a guy like Jones, how much does Harper REALLY impact him? 

I think two things are happening with guys like Jones, Iglesias, and the rest not named Machado/Harper.

1. The market is percolating on purpose. Guys just aren't going to get paid much and agents don't want to sign for little.
2. In theory, the market for Jones (for example) will improve once Harper is signed. While a team like the O's could in theory be involved already, multiple teams who are hoping for Harper could end up getting into the Jones market after Harper signs. In theory, that will add value to whatever contract he can eventually get.

On 2/10/2019 at 7:34 PM, wildcard said:

Wieters is better overall because of his combination of defensively, offensively, and in experience.  The question is will the O's pay  for him.  Remember he is a Boras client and Boras will try to get every last penny.

Over the last two years, Wieters's combined WAR is 0.0. I listen to a fair amount of Washington sports talk. He was a complete bust for the Nationals. He will need to basically take a minimum salary contract. His best hope at this point to getting a ML contract is veteranosity. That's not a strong position for Boras to get every last penny. 

I could actually imagine Wieters just retiring. I don't think anyone's signing him to be a starter unless a team like the O's can get him for basically the minimum salary. He's been around long enough and made enough money that he almost certainly won't want to sign a MiL contract and be subject to getting shipped back and forth to AAA. I think his best bet is to get $2-3 million as a backup on a contending team. 

[bpilktree]

I hope MLB addresses the free agency period in the collective bargaining agreement it is getting worse and worse each year with the prolonged waits for the players and then everyone else having to wait around for those guys to sign.  It is hard to build your team when you are waiting til after the spring starts to get your full team.  The other sports have a free agency period and a lot of action.  They also have the drafts in the ofrf season so it keeps people's attention on the sport and also the teams.  It doesn't matter much for the Orioles this year but if you are a team like the Giants or Padres who want to spring board their offseason signings into ticket sales and even season ticket plans.  They need to get it so that guys are singed by Christmas that way they can use their new additions to the team around Christmas time when people or buying season ticket plans.  This dragging their feet for months on end does not help marketing the sport.  The off season is about as slow as the pace of play between a Yankees Red Sox game that takes 4 hours in a 3-1 game.  

[jerios55]

1 hour ago, bpilktree said:

I hope MLB addresses the free agency period in the collective bargaining agreement it is getting worse and worse each year with the prolonged waits for the players and then everyone else having to wait around for those guys to sign.  It is hard to build your team when you are waiting til after the spring starts to get your full team.  The other sports have a free agency period and a lot of action.  They also have the drafts in the ofrf season so it keeps people's attention on the sport and also the teams.  It doesn't matter much for the Orioles this year but if you are a team like the Giants or Padres who want to spring board their offseason signings into ticket sales and even season ticket plans.  They need to get it so that guys are singed by Christmas that way they can use their new additions to the team around Christmas time when people or buying season ticket plans.  This dragging their feet for months on end does not help marketing the sport.  The off season is about as slow as the pace of play between a Yankees Red Sox game that takes 4 hours in a 3-1 game.   

Limit deals to 1 year after say Jan 31.  That should push the big contracts. 

[sportsfan8703]

Over a 162 game season it’s hard for a team to “surprise”.  It can happen but it takes a lot of luck. Depth and talent eventually win out. 

The solution is probably expanding the playoffs to give more teams the hope that they could compete for a playoff spot. I don’t know what the playoff solution should be. Maybe 4 WC teams that play a three game series vs each other to get to the divisional series??????

[terphoopsfan]

1 hour ago, jerios55 said:

Limit deals to 1 year after say Jan 31.  That should push the big contracts. 

Wonder what the owners would give up to extricate themselves from those pesky guaranteed contracts?

[LookinUp]

Union will likely try for an aggressive salary floor. I think they'd be wise to narrow the draft slots, or institute a lottery. It really is a very big difference between what you can spend as the #1 pick and what you can spend even at #15. It promotes tanking, which promotes sitting out of FA. 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, terphoopsfan said:

Wonder what the owners would give up to extricate themselves from those pesky guaranteed contracts?

How about, minimum salary 1 million, year two salary 3M.  Free agency after two seasons.  If you debut before the all star breaks it counts as a year.

[backwardsk]

4 hours ago, Il BuonO said:

Interesting Iglesias is higher than M Gonzalez, who was considered to be getting a 3-4 year deal.

Baseball Reference likes Gonzalez significantly better 8.1 to 5.2.  I do to.  Love the position flexibility.  If I ran a team that was trying to win, I'd target him.  I have no idea what he's been offered.

[PaulFolk]

On 2/10/2019 at 7:34 PM, wildcard said:

Iglesias was vetted by Elisa at the winter meetings and according to reports found him not to  be good in the clubhouse.

That's the first I've heard of this. Do you have a link or source?

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, PaulFolk said:

That's the first I've heard of this. Do you have a link or source?

Roch mentioned it.  I will try to fine the link.