I'm predicting Hyde will resign soon

[NCRaven]

I don't believe that Elias or ownership hold Hyde responsible for the performance of this team.  The pitchers that have been trotted out this season have been putrid and it hasn't been Hyde's fault.  Mancini, Mullins, and Mountcastle have been the only players consistently in the lineup all season (with the exception of Ryan's concussion) and producing.  I hope that Hyde gets a genuine chance to manage this team with Rodriguez and Hall in the rotation and Rutschman in the lineup.  Who knows, maybe Santander and Hays will be generally healthy and we'll actually have 5 or 6 legitimate hitters in the lineup on a regular basis next year.

Side note that probably belongs in another thread, but, I think it's 50-50 whether Mancini gets traded or extended during the off season.  I doubt that they just let it ride, but I could definitely see them reaching agreement on a three year extension.

[spiritof66]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not sure the #1 goal was the specific goal but a very high pick was.

This came up because I was questioning why, if Hyde isn't going to be good enough to manage the team when it gets better, it's fine to have him manage the team last year, this year and next year, and a response -- which I thought was serious -- implied that Hyde's just fine when the team's goal is to get the #1 draft choice.

As I've said a bunch of times, and I don't expect much agreement, if Elias's main goal is to have the Orioles win the fewest games in the majors, he should be fired and not work in MLB again. I'm not going to believe that's the case unless the conclusion becomes unavoidable, and I think that's very, very unlikely to happen..

On the other hand, I understand that putting minimal dollars and talent on the major-league club teams for a few years, and getting high draft picks, is part of the Houston plan. But I don't see any inconsistency between that plan and hiring the best manager you can to work with and inspire young players, get to know (and evaluate) the guys who are potential keepers, teach inexperienced big leaguers on a bad team how to want to win and how to dealk with losing, pound some fundamentals into the players, oversee the coaching staff, etc. The result might -- might -- be to win a few more games this year or next than you would under Hyde. To me, that would be just fine, though really beside the point that there should be a long-term benefit from putting a helpful, constructive, innovative, really smart manager -- like a younger version of Joe Maddon -- in place at the outset of a rebuild.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, spiritof66 said:

This came up because I was questioning why, if Hyde isn't going to be good enough to manage the team when it gets better, it's fine to have him manage the team last year, this year and next year, and a response -- which I thought was serious -- implied that Hyde's just fine when the team's goal is to get the #1 draft choice.

 

Different teams need different things out of their manager.  A guy that is the best fit in one situation might be a poor fit in another.

[SteveA]

27 minutes ago, rm5678 said:

To me, Cedric has looked tired & worn out for the past week or so. Hasn't been himself either at the plate or in the field. He's been playing day in / day out for 5 months, and I think it's starting to catch up with him. He might need a few days off to regroup.

The funny thing is, if it's fatigue.. the slump STARTED after a day off.

On Friday August 13 he extended his hitting streak to 20 games.

Hyde gave him Saturday the 14th off.

Since that off day, he is 4 for 36 (.111/.194/.237/.431).

[Pushmonkey]

I really don’t understand his bullpen management. Please stop pitching the same relief pitchers multiple games in a role after multiple innings. It’s not successful. 

[Philip]

29 minutes ago, Pushmonkey said:

I really don’t understand his bullpen management. Please stop pitching the same relief pitchers multiple games in a role after multiple innings. It’s not successful. 

This is one of my main complaints about Hyde as a manager.

[mrbig1]

If he has bad players that's on the team. If the plyers has just given up that's on the Manager.

[Jammer7]

18 hours ago, rm5678 said:

To me, Cedric has looked tired & worn out for the past week or so. Hasn't been himself either at the plate or in the field. He's been playing day in / day out for 5 months, and I think it's starting to catch up with him. He might need a few days off to regroup.

I thought so too, and then he was money last night. 

[Ohfan67]

On 8/25/2021 at 10:25 AM, Philip said:

I accept that i shouldn’t have written what I said. However, there are grounds for it. He’s fat which means he’s out of shape. If he were 55+ that might be ok, but he’s only 47, and can reasonably be expected to keep in shape. He doesn’t. Why not? Is that meaningless in a sport where physical condition is so important? Maybe. Does it set a poor example? Maybe. I’m not sure, which is why I accept that it was unnecessary. But it’s still a valid question.

It is entirely possible to list legitimate examples that indicate Hyde is neither a good manager nor a good motivator. Yes he has poor players, and we don’t know how much roster input he has, if any. But how he uses what he has is questionable.

Regarding Maddon, or the shills writing for the team, what are they gonna say? I work with people who are barely competent, but I’ll never publicly say anything bad about them. That’s just basic PR.

Do you think Hyde would be a better manager if he got super fit? Seems like all the team needs is a personal trainer and nutritionist for Hyde. 

[Sports Guy]

I still continue to really like Hyde and hope he gets a chance to manage a team that is actually a ML team and not the one he has been handed.

[Redskins Rick]

9 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Do you think Hyde would be a better manager if he got super fit? Seems like all the team needs is a personal trainer and nutritionist for Hyde. 

are you joking, arent you?

[Ohfan67]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

are you joking, arent you?

No man, I'm serious. I think the Orioles will win big if Hyde starts training for a triathlon. Elias needs to get on this right away. 

[Philip]

32 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Do you think Hyde would be a better manager if he got super fit? Seems like all the team needs is a personal trainer and nutritionist for Hyde. 

I didn’t suggest that, I don’t think. I suggested that a better motivator would first motivate himself. A better leader would set an example. I shared my reasons why I don’t think he’s a good manager.

[Can_of_corn]

26 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

No man, I'm serious. I think the Orioles will win big if Hyde starts training for a triathlon. Elias needs to get on this right away. 

Wouldn't it be easier just to get Brady to manage the team.  Hyde is never going to get himself in that kind of shape.

[spiritof66]

20 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Different teams need different things out of their manager.  A guy that is the best fit in one situation might be a poor fit in another.

I would add that there can be value to continuity -- a team improving with the same manager in place.

But I buy your point that a manager "that is the best fit in one situation might be a poor fit in another." Can someone explain to me what about Hyde makes him a good fit for the current situation, other than what I think facts most of us assume: his willingness to work cheap and to keep his mouth shut about who is and isn't on the 26-man roster?