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I stand by what I  said.   Elias would have no problem trading Mancini if he thinks it helps the team.

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32 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

The doubt is even after this hot streak his overall numbers aren't that good and he's due a raise.

 

Good.  If there's a salary cap minimum in the next CBA, the O's are going to have to find a way to reach it.  

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39 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

The doubt is even after this hot streak his overall numbers aren't that good and he's due a raise.

 

What's he going to get, about $4M? Not a slam dunk but still a good deal vs his career norm production. I definitely would not nontender. Ideally we would get good value in trade. 

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13 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Don't give up on Santander

I believe he will be a late bloomer with 40 Hr seasons in his future, much like Jose Bautista

Please keep him around O's

Let's hope he has one next season so we can trade him before he misses the 2023 season.  Just kidding but he just seems like a guy who is going to play very few injury free seasons.

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Some folks here overvalue the appeal Santander or Mancini have to other teams. Or that anyone would even do more than take a flier on either. 

Santander has finally warmed up lately, but up until a few weeks ago (injuries or not) he’s been forgettably disappointing. He’s going to have to stay hot just to climb over 1 WAR for the year.

Mancini has been a good story this year but he has also cooled down, and is another DH/1B type who doesn’t hit enough for his inability to field well.

Would you trade both these guys for Mychal Givens and Miguel Castro? Because that’s kind of what they’re worth right now. 

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5 minutes ago, InsideCoroner said:

Some folks here overvalue the appeal Santander or Mancini have to other teams. Or that anyone would even do more than take a flier on either. 

Santander has finally warmed up lately, but up until a few weeks ago (injuries or not) he’s been forgettably disappointing. He’s going to have to stay hot just to climb over 1 WAR for the year.

Mancini has been a good story this year but he has also cooled down, and is another DH/1B type who doesn’t hit enough for his inability to field well.

Would you trade both these guys for Mychal Givens and Miguel Castro? Because that’s kind of what they’re worth right now. 

I would trade Mancini for Givens and then trade Givens again for the same value we got for him the first time.  Agree on Santander but we should gamble on one more season there.

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9 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I think Mancini would bring back closer to the Castro return than the Givens return. It all depends on if the NL gets the DH in the new CBA. 

Agreed.  We all love Mancini, and he's the man, but baseball-wise, he's an .775-.825 OPS guy with poor defense, no speed, and no real position.  And he has one year remaining before he hits free agency.  Hate to say it, but his skill set is kind of a dime a dozen in MLB. 

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He has to prove health over the next couple years, but if he can, on batting talent he is in my Top 9 batters for peak lineups even if you exclude it to guys currently in org.

Even before Elijah Green or any free agent, best case I'd from here guess Mayo and Hays don't have spots, never mind the Urias/Jones/Vavra type guy.

Adley, Mountcastle, Norby, Westburg, Gunnar, Cowser, Mullins, Santander and Kjerstad are "The Nine" I hope for 500+ PA apiece from in 2024 if we are going to put all our $$$ on pitchers.

If we buy a superstar by 2024, Santander who can show up for work isn't even "Last Guy In" in that unit just on performance, never mind the fact that the middle infielders with lots of club control will be better trade bait than Santander would for a 2023-2024 pitching star.

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I don't think we get anything more than a low level prospect for Trey.  Sorry to keep using Atlanta examples, but the Braves basically got an entire new OF at the trade deadline for essentially nothing.  And the few times i've seen him play defense this year, I think he's lost a step - he's a DH at this point, imo.  I doubt we could get Givens for him, and there's no reason to want Castro - he has great stuff but seems to have no idea where it's going.  

I think Santander's a keeper, but let's see how he finishes the season before making a decision on him - and get a diagnosis about his ankle - It still looks like he's not running near 100%.    

 

    

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20 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

He has to prove health over the next couple years, but if he can, on batting talent he is in my Top 9 batters for peak lineups even if you exclude it to guys currently in org.

Even before Elijah Green or any free agent, best case I'd from here guess Mayo and Hays don't have spots, never mind the Urias/Jones/Vavra type guy.

Adley, Mountcastle, Norby, Westburg, Gunnar, Cowser, Mullins, Santander and Kjerstad are "The Nine" I hope for 500+ PA apiece from in 2024 if we are going to put all our $$$ on pitchers.

If we buy a superstar by 2024, Santander who can show up for work isn't even "Last Guy In" in that unit just on performance, never mind the fact that the middle infielders with lots of club control will be better trade bait than Santander would for a 2023-2024 pitching star.

I doubt Santander is here in 2024. Might be gone by 2022.

Interesting you do not have Hays who has higher WAR this year, plays better defense, and is not arb eligible until 2023. Don't forget Stowers and Mayo. Possibly also Neustrom, Mundy, Haskin, Watson. Bottom line, Santander is one of the more expendable players we have that has any value. Would Tampa keep him? I don't think so.  

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30 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I doubt Santander is here in 2024. Might be gone by 2022.

Interesting you do not have Hays who has higher WAR this year, plays better defense, and is not arb eligible until 2023. Don't forget Stowers and Mayo. Possibly also Neustrom, Mundy, Haskin, Watson. Bottom line, Santander is one of the more expendable players we have that has any value. Would Tampa keep him? I don't think so.  

Lots of interesting choices for sure.   I am relatively high on Santander if he can prove health as between Rule 5 and injuries he has just attained 1000 PA, and shown enough the next 1000 are I feel worth having.   

Hays has the same the most important ability is availability stuff facing him, and both don't have anything but themselves stopping them from near everyday corner reps for a little while, if they can handle them.

Neustrom closest but more job opportunity for him could open depending on Mancini's 2022 whereabouts.   I believe everyone below him probably looking at virtually all minors next year.

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