MLB CBA/Labor Dispute Thread

[SteveA]

Might as well start this thread, news about the negotiations go here.   First big news item:

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-almost-certain-to-have-first-work-stoppage-in-26-years-per-report/

Summary:  Winter meetings reportedly being cancelled.   Two sides have been talking since spring, neither side feels the other has come anywhere close to what it would take to bridge the gap.  Lockout at 12:00 AM December 2 appears inevitable.

[Frobby]

Ugh.  

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

Ugh.  

It's even worse than I was expecting.

 

[Too Tall]

And there is a whole thread on what's wrong with Major League Baseball? Start with greedy and stupid on both sides and go from there. MLB or How Not To Run A Public Relations Campaign For Your Business. At least the minor leaguers NOW have housing!

  This is also why many don't give a damn about this sport anymore. Double UGH!!!!!!

[Orioles0615]

Watch this push back the O's next window of being competitive  another 2 years. At least that's what the excuse will be in 2 years if they aren't winning. 

[Moose Milligan]

[Can_of_corn]

15 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:

Watch this push back the O's next window of being competitive  another 2 years. At least that's what the excuse will be in 2 years if they aren't winning. 

Yah more excuses on hand!  

Can't keep milking the pandemic forever.

[wildcard]

As long as the minor leagues get to play next season it probably will not impact the O's rebuild.   

[waroriole]

Does anyone know the percentage that the player’s share of league revenue has diminished?

[Just Regular]

Maybe more for next month, but I guess it could be vaguely interesting* to learn more about the New MLBPA Member start up process for someone like say....Robert Neustrom.

Assuming he gets added to the 40-man November 20th, and then locked out a couple weeks later.   This BA piece gives the detail 40-man members become MLBPA members.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/if-theres-a-mlb-lockout-in-2022-what-happens-to-the-minors-leagues/

Is it like "we need your dues"?   Does he get to weigh in on if the organization should prioritize higher minimum wage, earlier Arb, or age-based free agency?   Does he just rubber stamp whatever Trey Mancini (or whoever the Orioles Player Rep is) tells him?    Have to cover his ears if non-Union member Adley Rutschman texts him asking for him to vote "age-based free agency"?   Is a guy like Matt Wieters (not retired, but also no 2021 job at all) still a member?

The MLBPA FAQ says dues are $85/day in season, but doesn't give an offseason number.   Neustrom got $300K three years ago (plus 3 years of minor league salaries!!), but imagine there will be a few new 40-man members whose bonuses were a fraction of that years ago and were sleeping in their cars last month.

*Actually not at all, but if this is the thin gruel baseball will give while staring out the window and waiting for spring, it is a pastime I suppose.

[Sports Guy]

It may push back some offseason things but I doubt it lasts too long.  These things tend to always look doom and gloom at first.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

I have to ask does the Chris Davis buyout have a clause to prorate the money paid out for next year’s salary if there is a lockout that extends into the regular season?

I think the season will start on time, but never bet against MLB doing something stupid. 

[Moose Milligan]

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yah more excuses on hand!  

Can't keep milking the pandemic forever.

No, no...milk the pandemic AND the work stoppage.  

 

54 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I have to ask does the Chris Davis buyout have a clause to prorate the money paid out for next year’s salary if there is a lockout that extends into the regular season?

I think the season will start on time, but never bet against MLB doing something stupid. 

 

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

It may push back some offseason things but I doubt it lasts too long.  These things tend to always look doom and gloom at first.

I think cooler heads will prevail.  

Both sides know what's at stake.  MLB and the MLBPA have to be aware that baseball is declining in popularity, lagging behind the NFL and probably the NBA.  They know that a work stoppage would be a huge, huge black mark on the game and it would dig a deeper hole, maybe one that they could truly never recover from.

There's really not much they could do.  They can't rely on Cal chasing 2,130 to gain fan interest, there's nothing like that on the horizon.  They can't turn a blind eye to a PED problem and rely on huge amounts of home runs and home run chases to revitalize interest.  

You've got guys like Ohtani and Trout to promote but they do a pathetic job of that.  There's a ton of young talent playing right now but they can't generate the interest for these guys.  

SG is right, they do look doom and gloom but I think they'll figure this out. But as OFST80s said, you can never bet against the MLB doing something stupid and Manfred is involved so...there's a chance.  

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

No, no...milk the pandemic AND the work stoppage.  

 

 

I think cooler heads will prevail.  

Both sides know what's at stake.  MLB and the MLBPA have to be aware that baseball is declining in popularity, lagging behind the NFL and probably the NBA.  They know that a work stoppage would be a huge, huge black mark on the game and it would dig a deeper hole, maybe one that they could truly never recover from.

There's really not much they could do.  They can't rely on Cal chasing 2,130 to gain fan interest, there's nothing like that on the horizon.  They can't turn a blind eye to a PED problem and rely on huge amounts of home runs and home run chases to revitalize interest.  

You've got guys like Ohtani and Trout to promote but they do a pathetic job of that.  There's a ton of young talent playing right now but they can't generate the interest for these guys.  

SG is right, they do look doom and gloom but I think they'll figure this out. But as OFST80s said, you can never bet against the MLB doing something stupid and Manfred is involved so...there's a chance.  

I think it's been too long since the last stoppage.  None of the players were around for it.  I think a lot of the players have a real chip on their shoulders over how they got out-negotiated the last time and they want the type of big win that owners isn't going to give them.

 

[Moose Milligan]

29 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think it's been too long since the last stoppage.  None of the players were around for it.  I think a lot of the players have a real chip on their shoulders over how they got out-negotiated the last time and they want the type of big win that owners isn't going to give them.

 

Yeah, I can't imagine that any of the players would want to understand the damage of the '94 strike.  

Kids these days.  They only think history starts in their lifetime.