DL Hall 2022

[RZNJ]

I think bringing him up with the idea to start and go 5 or 6 innings is a mistake.   Bring him up and let him go 3 or 4 innings whether as a starter or piggybacking off of Wells or Bradish or whoever.    Let's lower expectations and just get his feet wet and let him do his thing.

[seak05]

16 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I think bringing him up with the idea to start and go 5 or 6 innings is a mistake.   Bring him up and let him go 3 or 4 innings whether as a starter or piggybacking off of Wells or Bradish or whoever.    Let's lower expectations and just get his feet wet and let him do his thing.

The Orioles aren't making the play-offs this year. The goal is for Hall to be a big league, why not leave him in Norfolk till he can get through 5-6 innings there regularly 

[CharmCityHokie]

2 hours ago, interloper said:

He has openly admitted that all he's trying to do is strike people out all the time. That's not a good thing.

It will be Spenser Watkins. 

That's interesting to read, because that seems to be a change of approach from this past offseason when he said he was trying to figure out which pitches will work best in the Majors, results be damned:

"Hall said he challenges himself in games, with a focus on throwing pitches that will get major league hitters out rather than the minor leagues"

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-prospect-dl-hall-command-20220322-2ywv6fgqsnc53l7jrkf6odp4ae-story.html

[RZNJ]

4 minutes ago, seak05 said:

The Orioles aren't making the play-offs this year. The goal is for Hall to be a big league, why not leave him in Norfolk till he can get through 5-6 innings there regularly 

I don't have a huge problem with that but I think he might gain more from just facing ML hitters for 3 or 4 innings at a time.   Besides getting his pitch counts up, I'm not sure what going 5 or 6 in AAA proves.   He likely won't be able to go 5 or 6 in the majors if he's pitching like he is now.

[Frobby]

From an Eric Longenhagen chat yesterday:

Wiz: Think DL Hall is ready to come up and compete against big league lineups? Stuff has been looking filthy. Zimmermann just got.optioned and Hall lines up with his turn in the rotation.

Eric A Longenhagen: Hell yes, his stuff is vicious.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/eric-longenhagen-chat-6-17-22/

 

[Just Regular]

Sadly listed as the Norfolk probable for tonight.

[Frobby]

31 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

Sadly listed as the Norfolk probable for tonight.

Hopefully he builds his case.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Hopefully he builds his case.  

Like Grayson did?

[Frobby]

24 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Like Grayson did?

I suspect Hall’s path is going to be different than Grayson’s.  Interestingly, Grayson had thrown a total of 272 MiL innings prior to his injury.   Hall is at 255, but he has far fewer above hi A (135.2 for Grayson, 66 for Hall).   I think Hall will get called up in a month or so if he pitches well.  So when I say “build his case,” I mean pitch well consistently.  

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I suspect Hall’s path is going to be different than Grayson’s.  Interestingly, Grayson had thrown a total of 272 MiL innings prior to his injury.   Hall is at 255, but he has far fewer above hi A (135.2 for Grayson, 66 for Hall).   I think Hall will get called up in a month or so if he pitches well.  So when I say “build his case,” I mean pitch well consistently.  

But you can pitch well consistently and still not get called up.

Oh no, we were just about to call him up when he got injured! 

Or they weren't about to call him up.

I think Hall is further along than you do based on his pitch counts.

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But you can pitch well consistently and still not get called up.

Oh no, we were just about to call him up when he got injured! 

Or they weren't about to call him up.

I think Hall is further along than you do based on his pitch counts.

I think they were about to call up Rodriguez.   Can’t prove it of course.  To me he was much more likely to have immediate success in the majors than Hall is.  Hall is going to get his K’s but he’s also going to be handing out free passes and generating high pitch counts.  Based on what Tony and justD have said, I think Hall had better secondaries (both movement and command) at the start of 2021 than he’s shown so far this year.  I’d really rather give him another month or so to work on sharpening those up.  That said, I’m really anxious to see him in an Orioles uniform.   If they’d called him up for tonight’s game, you wouldn’t have heard me complain about it.  

[Tony-OH]

Hall needs to show he can pitch 6 innings against AAA hitters in less than 100 pitches before I'm bringing him up to be a starter.

It's never been about stuff with Hall. 

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Hall needs to show he can pitch 6 innings against AAA hitters in less than 100 pitches before I'm bringing him up to be a starter.

It's never been about stuff with Hall. 

I have mixed feelings about this criterion.   In the ideal world, I’d prefer it.   In the real Orioles world, some 4-5 inning outings out of Hall allowing 1-2 runs before he runs out of pitches may be vastly superior to what we’re going to be getting out of several of our starters going forward.   So, I could see a case for letting Hall learn on the fly at the major league level.   In any event, I think Hall will get at least a few more MiL starts and maybe he’ll be able to check your box.  

[Tony-OH]

25 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I have mixed feelings about this criterion.   In the ideal world, I’d prefer it.   In the real Orioles world, some 4-5 inning outings out of Hall allowing 1-2 runs before he runs out of pitches may be vastly superior to what we’re going to be getting out of several of our starters going forward.   So, I could see a case for letting Hall learn on the fly at the major league level.   In any event, I think Hall will get at least a few more MiL starts and maybe he’ll be able to check your box.  

He couldn't get out of the 5th inning before reaching 91 pitches against AAA pitches. That does not translate to success at the major league level.

Now if you want to use him in a Keegan Akin role and give him experience, he's probably ready for that, but he's got to command his stuff better if he's expecting to go five innings at the major league level right now.

 

[Frobby]

9 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

He couldn't get out of the 5th inning before reaching 91 pitches against AAA pitches. That does not translate to success at the major league level.

Now if you want to use him in a Keegan Akin role and give him experience, he's probably ready for that, but he's got to command his stuff better if he's expecting to go five innings at the major league level right now.

 

I can’t disagree with you there.  He did manage to go 5 innings on 73 pitches back on June 5.   That’s the only time he’s gone 5 innings.  Now that he’s a bit more built up, hopefully he can turn in a couple of outings where he meets your 6 IP/<100 pitch criterion over the next month or so.