Zimmerman

[oriole]

Okay so I’m bad at memes and technology so I’d like everyone to imagine that scene in Billy Madison where Steve Buscemi crosses Billy’s name off the list and then puts on lipstick. 
 

Now imagine that’s Orioles fans collectively crossing Zimmermann’s name off our 2023 SP staff projections

 

Sorry, that’s the best I’ve got

[rm5678]

10 hours ago, oldfan said:

Who is starting for the O's tomorrow and Sunday? KC announcers say Kremer and Bradish.

That changed after the rainout on Wed night. So it's now Tyler Wells today (Saturday) and Kremer on Sunday. Bradish will pitch the opener at TOR on Monday night.

Edited June 11, 2022 by rm5678

[interloper]

Man what happened to Zimm? He was looking like John Means for a month and now his stuff looks so flat and the location is even worse. 

[oldfan]

38 minutes ago, interloper said:

Man what happened to Zimm? He was looking like John Means for a month and now his stuff looks so flat and the location is even worse. 

Hitters are out of spring training mode and weak stuff in the middle of the plate.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, oldfan said:

Hitters are out of spring training mode and weak stuff in the middle of the plate.

I don’t think that’s it.   His stuff just isn’t as crisp lately.  I’ve seen this before from him too.   He seems to go though periods where his command and movement are good, and then periods where they aren’t.  It may be that he’s not cut out to throw 150+ innings a year.

[Going Underground]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don’t think that’s it.   His stuff just isn’t as crisp lately.  I’ve seen this before from him too.   He seems to go though periods where his command and movement are good, and then periods where they aren’t.  It may be that he’s not cut out to throw 150+ innings a year.

According to the Sun article I posted today he thought he was tipping his pitches and has a slightly different windup.

 

It’s a subtle change, a movement of his hands from his stomach to his back hip. But Orioles left-hander Bruce Zimmermann wants it to lead to monumental differences, to eliminate what he felt led to pitch tipping in recent starts and to create a more easily repeatable delivery.

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

According to the Sun article I posted today he thought he was tipping his pitches and has a slightly different windup.

 

It’s a subtle change, a movement of his hands from his stomach to his back hip. But Orioles left-hander Bruce Zimmermann wants it to lead to monumental differences, to eliminate what he felt led to pitch tipping in recent starts and to create a more easily repeatable delivery.

I don’t buy that he’s tipping pitches.  Breaking pitches that don’t break much and stay in the middle and upper part of the strike zone are going to get hit whether they are tipped or not.  

[Going Underground]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don’t buy that he’s tipping pitches.  Breaking pitches that don’t break much and stay in the middle and upper part of the strike zone are going to get hit whether they are tipped or not.  

But if he thinks he is tipping pitches ,that  is all that matters.

 

 

 

Including Friday’s debacle, however, Zimmermann has conceded 27 runs in his last 25 2/3 frames. Two of those outings came against the New York Yankees and another came against the Boston Red Sox, and Zimmermann felt he tipped his pitches on the mound, particularly as he fiddled with the ball in his glove with a runner on second base.

 

Zimmermann first dropped his hands last week against the Cleveland Guardians. He turned his glove inward, hiding the grip of the ball when a runner is on base, hoping “to hide the ball a little bit better.”

 

The adjustments aren’t out of the ordinary for pitchers during the course of a season, pitching coach Chris Holt said. He downplayed the idea Zimmermann was tipping pitches — and he said he wanted to avoid giving any details that would help an opposing team learn what to look for — but Holt acknowledged the changes could help avoid giving anything away in the future.

“The placement of the hands is actually working with the delivery itself,” Holt said. “The byproduct of that is potentially being proactive on eliminating something there [with tipped pitches]. We’re trying to kill two birds with one stone.”

[Tony-OH]

Zimmermann is a guy with below average stuff who needs to keep his pitch mix continually changing and with good command to have success.

He's missing way too much in the middle of the plate. 

https://www.mlb.com/video/00u7jzgkdtP9kH55c356/reels/zimmermann-against-red-sox

You can see in the film reel I made of him against the Red Sox, he's leaving way too many pitches in the middle of the plate, particularly his changeup which needs to be low and away.

Until he can find that command he's going to get creamed because all of his pitches basically have below average movement.

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Tony-OH

[OriolesMagic83]

Zimmerman needs some time in the minors to work on his change up.  Of course who can the O's replace him with.  Not having any SP depth was a great plan.  It's bad when I think Harvey could improve our starting pitching.