Orioles Acquire LHP Cole Irvin from the A's for Darrel Hernaiz

[Sports Guy]

Both pitchers have excellent control.

[ChosenOne21]

Baseball Trade Values has this as pretty lopsided for the Orioles. They have Irvin at 15 million surplus value, Virbitsky at like 1.6 and Hernaiz at 2.7

Edited January 27, 2023 by ChosenOne21

[sportsfan8703]

Hernaiz is the first example of the league showing respect for what Elias and the FO have done with drafting/developing.  It’s ok to still root for Hernaiz. The better he does, the more the league will respect our prospects. The trade can be a win/win in a lot of areas. 

[Just Regular]

19 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Baseball Trade Values has this as pretty lopsided for the Orioles. They have Irvin at 15 million surplus value, Virbitsky at like 1.6 and Hernaiz at 2.7

I think Irvin enjoys much of that edge on Hernaiz by virtue of keeping his chin above water.     They are probably right to ding prospects because they fail so much (e.g. just on Orioles they have proven Mullins near same level as prospect Holliday now, but I'd never switch them), but if one Club likes one prospect well enough I believe the rental MLB player they can get will look good.

If Irvin provides about $8mm in field value the next few years, his surplus unrolls maybe like 7-5-3-0, so I figure after the Club/Arb1 years the tender decision could be close.

[sportsfan8703]

26 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Both pitchers have excellent control.

Both our big dudes too.  NCAA SP as well. Elias gets other GMs to toss in arms the way DD used to just Willy Nilly toss in comp picks. 

[DirtyBird]

12 hours ago, Three Run Homer said:

One side effect of this trade is that it reduces the odds that DL Hall makes the opening day roster.  If the O's still want to give him a chance to make it as a starter (which I think is the right decision), then he will need to spend more time working at AAA on his command (also I think the right decision).  

It could be a battle between Akin and Hall for the LH long relief role. The way Akin pitched in the 2nd half of the season, I don't think his roster spot is solid.

[DirtyBird]

15 hours ago, waroriole said:

Why wouldn’t we have protected Hernaiz? There’s still plenty of dead weight on the 40 man. 

 

Replace Frazier with Westburg, and who do you get rid of from the infield to make room for Hernaiz on the 40 man?

[Aristotelian]

17 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

It could be a battle between Akin and Hall for the LH long relief role. The way Akin pitched in the 2nd half of the season, I don't think his roster spot is solid.

I feel like Akin could be a big regression candidate. I wonder if Elias looks to trade him. From how he was used I got the feeling Akin does not have Hyde's confidence.

 

[Sports Guy]

15 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

 

Replace Frazier with Westburg, and who do you get rid of from the infield to make room for Hernaiz on the 40 man?

You don’t have to get rid of an IFer to make room. 

[Moose Milligan]

Even though I like this trade, I still feel the need to say this offseason is still a giant skidmark on a fresh pair of tighty whities.  

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Even though I like this trade, I still feel the need to say this offseason is still a giant skidmark on a fresh pair of tighty whities.  

There is nothing to dislike about the trade itself.  It's a perfectly reasonable move.

[Moose Milligan]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

There is nothing to dislike about the trade itself.  It's a perfectly reasonable move.

It's fine.

I do wonder what the A's would want with Hernaiz and why they liked him.  

[tntoriole]

12 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

That's what I said literally at every transaction. Externally, I don't know if we've improved the team much at all. Internally, with more playing time for young players, there should be improvement

Small multiple improvements can collectively have a bigger impact than the board thinks.  Every single move he has made has improved the team on paper from 2022. 

[Jim'sKid26]

24 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Even though I like this trade, I still feel the need to say this offseason is still a giant skidmark on a fresh pair of tighty whities.  

The visual is compelling. 

This post has to be one of the early leaders for post of the year. Well done, sir.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Jim'sKid26
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[DirtyBird]

6 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Small multiple improvements can collectively have a bigger impact than the board thinks.  Every single move he has made has improved the team on paper from 2022. 

I think people ignore the impact of having a full season of Gunnar and Adley with pretty much a full season under his belt.

Also, when you look down our lineup, most of our guys are more likely to improve from last season than are to regress.

We didn't add a stud starter, but we have added depth. Ideally, a guy like Spencer Watkins won't be getting 20 starts next season. And we will have competition for bullpen spots.

The only high probability area for regression on the roster is the back end of the bullpen.