2023 Ongoing Lineup Thread

[OriolesMagic83]

Good to see the Yankees start a guy, Cordero, who wasn't good enough to make the O's.  I thought Cordero's OF defense was questionable?

[HakunaSakata]

37 minutes ago, seak05 said:

This lineup frustrates me because you are taking a good defender and putting them at DH, and putting a bad defender in the field. I also think it's problematic for Henderson's development to be playing him at DH often, and it speaks to Hyde's distrust of young players in general, and specifically on defense. 

That said, if this  is Hyde's "a" lineup (in his mind) then Henderson should be getting reps in RF, so that at least you can put Henderson somewhere in the field and take out Santander (since he clearly feels like Urias and Fraier are the better IF defenders)

This lineup frustrates me as well. Playing Henderson at DH with any regularity seems like a diservice to his development as a complete player. And if we're being honest, the development of Henderson is much more important to this franchise than going out of the way to get Mateo and Urias more at bats. I also hate the idea of trying to turn Henderson into an OF. 

[Bahama O's Fan]

I would have Gunnar planted on third base 5 days out of 7. Day 6 he plays SS for Mateo to rest and then let Gunnar rest on the 7th day. Urias and Frazier can split 2B with Urias playing third one day for Gunnar and maybe spelling Mateo another day. 

[Aristotelian]

45 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

You have good defenders at 3B, SS, and 2B.    No big deal.     If Gunner has to DH once a week, again no big deal.

Agreed. Mateo is red hot, he deserves to keep starting. That means Urias and Gunnar split 3B. Gunnar should get the majority but he also had a minor injury so the extra rest is not a bad thing. 

 

 

[seak05]

53 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

You have good defenders at 3B, SS, and 2B.    No big deal.     If Gunner has to DH once a week, again no big deal.

The issue isn't the defenders at 3b, ss, and 2b, it's the one in RF. Assuming those are the guys Hyde wants in the lineup, you have to move the defensive arrangement around (I'd put Frazier in RF but I'm accounting for Hyde's biases)

[HakunaSakata]

42 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Agreed. Mateo is red hot, he deserves to keep starting. That means Urias and Gunnar split 3B. Gunnar should get the majority but he also had a minor injury so the extra rest is not a bad thing. 

Most players don't like to DH. If they don't do it regularly it can kill their feel of the game. Why would you take a good all around young player out of the lineup and risk messing with his feel of the game? It's just bad call by Hyde early on (one of many). I'm fine with riding Mateo's hot streak, but they should be DHing Urias or Frazier, not Henderson. 

[HakunaSakata]

40 minutes ago, seak05 said:

The issue isn't the defenders at 3b, ss, and 2b, it's the one in RF. Assuming those are the guys Hyde wants in the lineup, you have to move the defensive arrangement around (I'd put Frazier in RF but I'm accounting for Hyde's biases)

That's on management for wasting a FA signing on a 2B rather than signing an OF (if they weren't comfortable going with one of the young guys). I watched most of the Rockies game yesterday and Profar looked absolutely incredible in the OF. Made at least three good to great plays and is a much better defender than I expected. In hindsight, they would have been better off signing someone like Profar than Frazier. 

[HakunaSakata]

1 hour ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Good to see the Yankees start a guy, Cordero, who wasn't good enough to make the O's.  I thought Cordero's OF defense was questionable?

That Franchy HR is on you my friend. 

[SteveA]

4 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

I would have Gunnar planted on third base 5 days out of 7. Day 6 he plays SS for Mateo to rest and then let Gunnar rest on the 7th day. Urias and Frazier can split 2B with Urias playing third one day for Gunnar and maybe spelling Mateo another day. 

We're not all about just development anymore.  We are trying to win and Urias is probably a better defensive 3B than Gunnar.

Gunnar missed one game with an injury.  In the other 6 games, he's played 3rd 3 times, SS once, and DH'd twice.   With Mateo hitting well, that's fine with me.   The fact is we have a 3Bman who is probably better defensively at 3B than Gunnar, and a shortstop who is probably better defensively at SS than Gunnar, even though Gunnar is probably pretty good at both positions.   Nice problem to have.   But Gunnar at DH might be the optimal offense/defense lineup combination a couple times a week.

[jdwilde1]

2 minutes ago, SteveA said:

The fact is we have a 3Bman who is probably better defensively at 3B than Gunnar, and a shortstop who is probably better defensively at SS than Gunnar, even though Gunnar is probably pretty good at both positions.

Yes, and that’s because the O’s probably have the best defensive third baseman and shortstop in the American League.  I wonder if they have considered playing Gunnar at second base?  He played 26 innings at second with the O’s last year and looked pretty good.  Not to mention he has a cannon of an arm for turning double plays.

[AnythingO's]

4 hours ago, HakunaSakata said:

Most players don't like to DH. If they don't do it regularly it can kill their feel of the game. Why would you take a good all around young player out of the lineup and risk messing with his feel of the game? It's just bad call by Hyde early on (one of many). I'm fine with riding Mateo's hot streak, but they should be DHing Urias or Frazier, not Henderson. 

They should be DHing Santander at least 50% of the time and rotating Henderson, Urias, Adley. Frazier, Stowers.

[HakunaSakata]

4 minutes ago, AnythingO's said:

They should be DHing Santander at least 50% of the time and rotating Henderson, Urias, Adley. Frazier, Stowers.

Agree with this. It also seems so bizarre that Hyde is so focused on playing what he thinks is the best defense lineup in the infield, but doesn't take the same approach in the OF. I just don't understand his rationale or what he's trying to accomplish with some of these lineups. 

[AnythingO's]

While I agree with Tony@OH that Sig's computer spits out who should play in a given game matchup, I suspect that Hyder decides, or at least has the latitude to decide, who plays where. Sig's computer isn't going to spit out Stowers, Vavra, or even Henderson over anyone with a MLB track record. IMHO 

[SilverRocket]

I don't know that Gunnar converts that DP today as often as Urias does. For the long run, we need Gunnar on the field. But if you're playing to win this one game, I like today's lineup, and I can see Hyde playing the home opener that way. It's telling that this is the same set of guys he ran opening day, only swapping Hays and Frazier in the lineup.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, SilverRocket said:

I don't know that Gunnar converts that DP today as often as Urias does. For the long run, we need Gunnar on the field. But if you're playing to win this one game, I like today's lineup, and I can see Hyde playing the home opener that way. It's telling that this is the same set of guys he ran opening day, only swapping Hays and Frazier in the lineup.

I can see why you wouldn't want your current and future centerpiece player on the field for opening day.

Makes a lot of sense.