DL Hall 2023

[RZNJ]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Since I know that you think Roch’s opinions are based on inside information rather than just his own speculation, here’s a tidbit from today:

How soon might we expect to see DL Hall with the O's? And as a starter or in the ‘pen?

No ‘pen. You can write that in ink. He’s a starter. Hall is getting stretched out at Norfolk. It shouldn’t be a long process, since he threw 89 in his last outing. He might already be there. If his stuff is good, the Orioles will find a way to fit him into the rotation. Just don’t ask me how.

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Okay, I’ll write that in ink, and return to this post when he’s proven wrong.  

Right.  I think Roch is spitting into the wind.

[Frobby]

Just now, RZNJ said:

Right.  I think Roch is spitting into the wind.

He might turn out to be right, but only if Hall suddenly starts pitching much better and deeper, IMO.  I’m certainly not writing anything down in ink when it comes to my own opinion of what they’ll do with Hall.  

[jabba72]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Since I know that you think Roch’s opinions are based on inside information rather than just his own speculation, here’s a tidbit from today:

How soon might we expect to see DL Hall with the O's? And as a starter or in the ‘pen?

No ‘pen. You can write that in ink. He’s a starter. Hall is getting stretched out at Norfolk. It shouldn’t be a long process, since he threw 89 in his last outing. He might already be there. If his stuff is , the Orioles will find a way to fit him into the rotation. Just don’t ask me how.

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Okay, I’ll write that in ink, and return to this post when he’s proven wrong.  

Yup seems pretty definitive Hall is staying as a starter. Thats fine with me.

[Sports Guy]

Roch is right. The team isn’t moving him from the starters role, at least right now. If he continues to take 20-25 pitches per inning and can’t make it through the 5th, that could definitely change. 
 

But I dont think they consider doing that until at least early July.  Injuries/complete ineffectiveness in the Os bullpen could force their hand earlier than they want but I don’t believe that Elias is looking at 2023 as a make the playoffs year. I think he believes it’s possible but will still look long term more.

[Jagwar]

33 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Roch is right. The team isn’t moving him from the starters role, at least right now. If he continues to take 20-25 pitches per inning and can’t make it through the 5th, that could definitely change. 
 

But I dont think they consider doing that until at least early July.  Injuries/complete ineffectiveness in the Os bullpen could force their hand earlier than they want but I don’t believe that Elias is looking at 2023 as a make the playoffs year. I think he believes it’s possible but will still look long term more.

I think you're correct about looking long term. And if the O's are fighting for a playoff spot, I wouldn't be surprised to see Hall in the bullpen in September if he is pitching well and the O's starters are doing well. I remember the Rays doing that with David Price in the 2008 stretch run and playoffs. He was such a weapon for them.  

[Tony-OH]

I'm just going to put this here and allow you to make your own judgement based off the data if you wish.

                           Pitches      Strikes   IP    AVG FB vel    SL V MV    SL  H MV     CH v MV    CH h MV

2022 MLB Relief                                             96.2              30.3            9.5            27.8                15
1st start                 70             43         3         94.2              29               5               26                  16
2nd start               77              49        4.1       93.3              31               6               28                  17
3rd start                89              50        4          94.2              31               9               26                  12

I'll try and keep this updated through each start to track his progress. 

 

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Roch is right. The team isn’t moving him from the starters role, at least right now. If he continues to take 20-25 pitches per inning and can’t make it through the 5th, that could definitely change. 
 

But I dont think they consider doing that until at least early July.  Injuries/complete ineffectiveness in the Os bullpen could force their hand earlier than they want but I don’t believe that Elias is looking at 2023 as a make the playoffs year. I think he believes it’s possible but will still look long term more.

No one disputes that.  Roch made it sound longer term.

[Flash- bd]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I'm just going to put this here and allow you to make your own judgement based off the data if you wish.

                           Pitches      Strikes   IP    AVG FB vel    SL V MV    SL  H MV     CH v MV    CH h MV

2022 MLB Relief                                             96.2              30.3            9.5            27.8                15
1st start                 70             43         3         94.2              29               5               26                  16
2nd start               77              49        4.1       93.3              31               6               28                  17
3rd start                89              50        4          94.2              31               9               26                  12

I'll try and keep this updated through each start to track his progress. 

 

He's had a significant drop in velocity from the beginning of last season, wasn't it, where people were talking about him having ace stuff and 98+ MPH FB? 

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Flash- bd said:

He's had a significant drop in velocity from the beginning of last season, wasn't it, where people were talking about him having ace stuff and 98+ MPH FB? 

He was throwing 97-98 at times early last season. His high end velocity has not been there so far this season.

[Jagwar]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

He was throwing 97-98 at times early last season. His high end velocity has not been there so far this season.

Is it intentional to try and improve command?

[Otter]

12 hours ago, Jagwar said:

Is it intentional to try and improve command?

I certainly hope so, and instead isn't a sign of an injury.  But even if he is pulling back on velocity to try to improve control/command, that isn't a good sign either...while raising his floor it really lowers his ceiling.  And we really need more pitching prospects with high ceilings right now.

[Tony-OH]

12 hours ago, Jagwar said:

Is it intentional to try and improve command?

No idea honestly. Saying that, he's still throwing too many non-competitive fastballs even at the lower velocity.

[sportsfan8703]

@Tony-OH pointed it out earlier.  He's only gone 5 IP four times out of 21 AAA starts.  That's been at age 23/24.  

Let's say he's somewhere in between Josh Hader and Tanner Scott as MLB reliever.  That works for this team in MR/SU for this year.  He can be a two pitch reliever.  He could gain some confidence with having success, versus struggling like now.  Confidence is a scary thing for a pro athlete.  See Mateo. 

Who is to say that if he goes to the pen this year, that he can't pitch his way into a SP role in the future?  It's not the worst idea to learn how to get AAA/MLB hitters out from the bullpen.  Also, I 100% buy into that there are only so many bullets in an arm.  

 

[Sports Guy]

Little better tonight.

85 pitches and got through 5 innings.  Struck out 5, walked 2, 5 hits, 2 runs, 1 homer.  63.5% str%. I believe that’s his best of the year so far.

[baltfan]

He is going to spend the whole year in AAA.  No place for him on this team.