Let’s assume Mateo is an .800+ OPS, 5+ WAR shortstop — now what?

[Remember The Alomar]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Look what he's done with Hall.

No evidence to this opinion--just vibes--but he strikes me as someone who is going to suck until one day he doesn't. And hopefully he's on the Orioles then. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Remember The Alomar said:

No evidence to this opinion--just vibes--but he strikes me as someone who is going to suck until one day he doesn't. And hopefully he's on the Orioles then. 

I agree.

Unless he breaks first.

I just don't like the idea of anointing one coach as being something special.

It seems to me that every coach has some success stories and some guys they can't help.

[Jammer7]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Sure..depending on how much you buy into him being that for several years, which I don’t.

Plus, we have arguably the best prospect in the sport, who is a SS that they took #1, ready within a year.

 

Agree with both points, but we are assuming he is that guy in this scenario. Having one in hand, it’s hard to part with that type of rare SS. Holliday should be great, but still so far to go. Nothing is automatically going to work out just as it should. He’s as sure a thing mentally as there is, but what if he fills out like dad? A lot can happen in two years. Aberdeen has humbled many, but he should be fine. 

Good problems to have. As I said before, they just have to be decisive and deliberate in their processes. The changes Mateo has made just might be sustainable. The league is adjusting, and it will be interesting to see where he is at the end of 2023. He still gets pull happy for me too often, but the light seems switched on every time I see him not swing at the slider down and away. 

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, 24fps said:

Yes, Holt is a great pitching coach.  Imagine what he could do if he has some prime talent - Bobby Miller, Gavin Stone, guys like that who've been batted around on here as logical targets in a Mateo trade.  That is unless your argument is that Holt is so good that he can succeed even without high-end pitching talent to work with.  Then I think you will find yourself in an even lonelier place - one where even Leo Mazzone won't talk to you.

O's might already have high end pitching talent. 

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Look what he's done with Hall.

Wait.   The best is yet to come.

[24fps]

You can commit many sins on a message board.  Only one is unforgivable and that is to invoke the phrase "time will tell" or some variation thereof.  The debate is here and now.

[deward]

46 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Wait.   The best is yet to come.

There's nowhere to go but up, for sure 

[Sanity Check]

2 hours ago, deward said:

There's nowhere to go but up, for sure 

yes, but the proof will be in the pudding.

[Pickles]

4 hours ago, 24fps said:

You can commit many sins on a message board.  Only one is unforgivable and that is to invoke the phrase "time will tell" or some variation thereof.  The debate is here and now.

I strongly disagree.  I think a sign of a civil conversation is the ability to say, "Well, I guess time will tell."  It's something akin to agree to disagree.

To again quote Norm MacDonald, "Somethings can only be resolved in the fullness of time."

[24fps]

5 minutes ago, Pickles said:

I strongly disagree.  I think a sign of a civil conversation is the ability to say, "Well, I guess time will tell."  It's something akin to agree to disagree.

To again quote Norm MacDonald, "Somethings can only be resolved in the fullness of time."

I think you're wrong.  I guess time will tell.

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, 24fps said:

I think you're wrong.  I guess time will tell.

See. Civil.

[Flash- bd]

19 minutes ago, Pickles said:

I strongly disagree.  I think a sign of a civil conversation is the ability to say, "Well, I guess time will tell."  It's something akin to agree to disagree.

To again quote Norm MacDonald, "Somethings can only be resolved in the fullness of time."

Have you seen Norm's take on Germany? 

[Pickles]

Just now, Flash- bd said:

Have you seen Norm's take on Germany? 

Let's keep it civil! 

[24fps]

4 minutes ago, Pickles said:

See. Civil.

To me, the value of this or any message board is the dialogue and that means that anyone who makes an assertion is obligated to support it.  If you say "time will tell" as a way of saying there's no common ground and I no longer want to engage, that's one thing.  It's an entirely different thing if you want to take unconventional positions and act as if you're the only one with a crystal ball. 

[Pickles]

1 hour ago, 24fps said:

To me, the value of this or any message board is the dialogue and that means that anyone who makes an assertion is obligated to support it.  If you say "time will tell" as a way of saying there's no common ground and I no longer want to engage, that's one thing.  It's an entirely different thing if you want to take unconventional positions and act as if you're the only one with a crystal ball. 

I understand what you're saying, but you can't expect to change everybody's mind, even with logic, even when you're right.  That's the beauty of disengagement.

And again, many, many things can only be determined by the future.

I am a bit curious, though, your original statement didn't directly quote anyone.  What did you object to?

Edited April 30, 2023 by Pickles