What would it take to get Max Fried

[Emory Eagle]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

The only reason they would entertain it is because he is a FA after next year and he’s been the one guy they haven’t been able to extend.

He will also be worth more in July than he will be in November and Atlanta has never been shy about trading guys at top value.

But it’s highly unlikely they would trade him during the season since he’s arguably their best starter and they are WS contenders.

Is there precedent of Atlanta making a trade like this in past years?  It's not like they're the Rays.  I don't really know to be honest.  I'll believe it when I see it.  

In any case, it will certainly be interesting to see what Elias does at the deadline this year.  We're no longer in a rebuild, with the competitive window on the distant horizon... time for him to prove if he has what it takes to be a MLB GM.

[Emory Eagle]

6 minutes ago, CaptDbog said:

I can't agree with this.  The 2014 and 2012 O's are better and its not really close.  There is almost a 0% chance Atlanta trades Fried.  A potential divisional winner trading their Ace? 

No way were the 2012 Orioles better than this team (at least as it looks so far).  Look at their run differential. It was a fun team, no doubt. 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Emory Eagle said:

Is there precedent of Atlanta making a trade like this in past years?  It's not like they're the Rays.  I don't really know to be honest.  I'll believe it when I see it.  

In any case, it will certainly be interesting to see what Elias does at the deadline this year.  We're no longer in a rebuild, with the competitive window on the distant horizon... time for him to prove if he has what it takes to be a MLB GM.

Atlanta has always been a “trade them a year too early” team. They have also always been a team that you don’t want to trade with because if they are trading them, there is a reason.

This would be different and a different circumstance than most deals. 
 

Unless they come to terms on a deal, he will get dealt before next season. I just doubt it’s during the season.

[CaptDbog]

Just now, Emory Eagle said:

Is there precedent of Atlanta making a trade like this in past years?  It's not like they're the Rays.  I don't really know to be honest.  I'll believe it when I see it.  

In any case, it will certainly be interesting to see what Elias does at the deadline this year.  We're no longer in a rebuild, with the competitive window on the distant horizon... time for him to prove if he has what it takes to be a MLB GM.

I just checked their trade history on sportac: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/transactions/atlanta-braves/trade/

I didn't go real far back but it does seem out of the norm for them to trade an ace in the middle of a season. 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Emory Eagle said:

No way were the 2012 Orioles better than this team (at least as it looks so far).  Look at their run differential. It was a fun team, no doubt. 

This version doesn’t have a run differential that is anything special.  The second half 2012 Os were better than this team is now.

[CaptDbog]

1 minute ago, Emory Eagle said:

No way were the 2012 Orioles better than this team (at least as it looks so far).  Look at their run differential. It was a fun team, no doubt. 

The bullpen was on a different level.  Sure the run differential wasn't good but they were talented, which paved way for 2014. 

[seak05]

19 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Wait, a team with World Series aspirations is going to give up their #1 starting pitcher because they have 'shortstop' issues? I don't get it help me out here...

You know there are probably much more realistic players that we could target than Fried.

I think he’s their #2, or 1b. They have a deep rotation.

But to clarify, I don’t think they’ll trade him in season. He would be my pie in the sky bc Atlanta has a deep rotation. Would Atlanta trade him for Matteo+prospects?

[emmett16]

The braves falling off a cliff. 

[Bemorewins]

3 minutes ago, seak05 said:

I think he’s their #2, or 1b. They have a deep rotation.

But to clarify, I don’t think they’ll trade him in season. He would be my pie in the sky bc Atlanta has a deep rotation. Would Atlanta trade him for Matteo+prospects?

Why would we want to do that? And why would they? That sounds like a seal that benefits no one.

Instead of trying to trade extremely valuable players who are excelling from our team like Mateo, wouldn't it make more sense to put together a prospect package for say a Cease or Alcantara or Luzardo or Eduardo Rodriguez? 

I understand that all those guys except Alcantara are a step down from Fried. But they are still guys who can head straight to the top of our rotation and help us in October. It seems to make sense for us to look at those kind of guys on teams that are not going to compete instead of targeting a guy on one of if not the best team in the NL. No?

We can most certainly get a #1 starter without looking at Fried and without giving up one of our best players at the moment. Do you agree?

[Bemorewins]

7 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

The braves falling off a cliff. 

Is this sarcasm? If not, what am I missing? They have the best record in the NL.

[Fiver6565]

First of all, the Fried idea is never happening, as many have noted Atlanta has no reason or desire to trade him.  They have true championship aspirations.

Which leads me to my second of all.  We need to wrap our heads around the idea that Elias does NOT  have championship aspirations  - for this year.  He has repeatedly said the goal is a playoff berth.  Not a division title, a playoff berth.  We have to walk before we can run.  I would not expect to see Elias make a trade this major.  He'll supplement the roster a bit I imagine in July, but it won't be the massive upgrade people are clamoring for - again, talking about this year.  He's looking for long term contention, and he won't go all in this year.  The sooner people realize this, the less hand wringing there will be around here (who am I kidding, LOL).

And to me, that's OK.  He's taken a patient building approach to get us where we are, and this season will be a fun and exciting season, just as it has been so far.  And who knows, you get in the tourney and you never know what will happen - no one knows that better than the Braves, in fact.  But the next couple years after this one, when Henderson is more mature, Westburg/Ortiz/Cowser et al are up and producing in full time roles, Holliday is on the cusp - I do think he'll make a move when that time comes. 

But not in 2023, IMO.

 

(note - this doesn't mean I don't think he'll trade someone to start to clear up the logjam in the IF.  I just don't think its going to be something that blows anyone away -and it won't be for someone who won't be here in two years)

[Fiver6565]

10 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Is this sarcasm? If not, what am I missing? They have the best record in the NL.

I think he was succinctly answering the question in the OP - what would it take?  It would take the Braves falling off a cliff.  In other words, it ain't happening!

[eddie83]

Only possible way they deal him is if somehow next year they are shockingly out of the race. They will give him a QO and say thanks. I don’t expect him to stay there. 
 

Maybe John Angelos will write him a check in November of 2024. Then again maybe not. 

[Aristotelian]

17 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Is this sarcasm? If not, what am I missing? They have the best record in the NL.

I thought it was a weird idea. However, there is some speculation that the Braves pissed off Fried by taking him to arbitration, and if he has no intention of extending they may look to trade him rather than end up with nothing. The first article that came up actually mentions the O's. Of course it is clickbait speculation, nothing solid.

https://calltothepen.com/2023/02/05/3-potential-max-fried-trade-destinations-atlanta-braves/

Here is a Braves website talking about it:

https://housethathankbuilt.com/2022/12/13/braves-rumors-braves-trade-max-fried/

Trading him would be a "Tampa" move, not sure if it is a Braves move.

[Bemorewins]

1 minute ago, Fiver6565 said:

I think he was succinctly answering the question in the OP - what would it take?  It would take the Braves falling off a cliff.  In other words, it ain't happening!

Understood. I think I'm confused by the premise of the thread. Following this logic, are we going to ask them about Albies or Acuna? And while we are at it should we check on Judge, Ohtani, Betts? Asking for a friend...lol