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TJ Wrangler Major Leaguer

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Baez & Walker for Kevin Millwood

All 3 of these teams are looking for money relief and we are staying at ruffly the 5 mil per year amt. Texas may have to add a prospect or two.

We're trading a washed up overpriced LOOGY and an injured overpriced question mark middle reliever for an overpaid back of the rotation starter and Texas needs to give us prospects as well? If they take that trade without prospects, I'd go for it, but no way do they want to spend a similar amount of money and take up 2 roster spots on two likely terrible relievers for a back of the rotation starter that has been good in the past, let alone give up prospects as well.

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hoosiers Hangout Grand Counsel

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It really is kind of sad to see your team having to pin its hopes on retreads and failures from other teams. The Nationals are doing the same thing as well! Can you imagine how fans of really competitive teams would be screaming if say the Yankees or Boston started banking their season on retreads/discards from other teams? There would be public riots!(

I'm not sure of one poster who as "pinned their hopes" on these retreads. Every once in a while, a retread turns out to be Jeremy Guthrie or Brandon Phillips. Any team not expected to make the playoffs should entertain the possibility that some of these younger retreads can re-capture their prevous promise.

We are not a team of re-treads. We've acquired some players like Pie and Hill who have enormous potential to see if we can fix what ails them or provide an opportunity to shine that did not exist before. I have no issue with this. I encourage it.

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Guthrie would be a #2 on many teams and a #3 on some. If you want to say he is our #1, great, but when he qualified that by saying a "True" #1, Guthrie is not that, yet.

If you mean that a #1 is a Cy Young candidate I'd agree.

If you mean that a #1 is the guy a team puts out there on opening day, I'd say Guthrie is a #1 on about half a dozen teams. He was 33rd in the majors in support neutral value over replacement, but quite a few pitchers above him duplicated teams. For example the Sox had Lester and Matsuzaka, the Giants Lincecum and Cain, the Brewers Sheets and Sabathia.

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Poor Horatio. Only half a boy.

Now look, Horatio is not the only needy boy ... Son, uh, didn't you, didn't you ever give anybody anything just for the pleasure of it? Ju-somethin' you didn't want anything in return for.

Sure. Just yesterday I gave my friend Jimmy somethin'.

Now that's fine. What'd you give him?

A sock in the head.

I, I meant charity.

I didn't charge him nothin'.

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If you mean that a #1 is a Cy Young candidate I'd agree.

If you mean that a #1 is the guy a team puts out there on opening day, I'd say Guthrie is a #1 on about half a dozen teams. He was 33rd in the majors in support neutral value over replacement, but quite a few pitchers above him duplicated teams. For example the Sox had Lester and Matsuzaka, the Giants Lincecum and Cain, the Brewers Sheets and Sabathia.

I agree it all depends how you define your terms, and whether you are talking about past performance or expected future performance. I will say this for Guthrie -- here is the list of qualified AL pitchers who had a lower ERA than Guthrie in both 2007 and 2008:

Nobody.

Now, if you include pitchers who switched leagues last year you could say that Johan Santana, C.C. Sabathia and Dan Haren were better both years. You can add Peavy, Webb, Oswalt and Hamels if you want to include all NL pitchers. Still, that's a pretty select group.

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In Hill I see AM doing his best to make sure there is another Daniel Cabrera in the rotation, only this guy has the potential to be even wilder!:laughlol:

It really is kind of sad to see your team having to pin its hopes on retreads and failures from other teams. The Nationals are doing the same thing as well! Can you imagine how fans of really competitive teams would be screaming if say the Yankees or Boston started banking their season on retreads/discards from other teams? There would be public riots!

Here it is not only acceptable but actually thought of in a optimistic fashion. The expectations of the Orioles by their fans have to arguably now be at an all-time low when you see this sort of thing being viewed as not only acceptable but good! I mean c'mon, John Parrish again?:rolleyestf: Next thing you know we be hearing AM has signed Josh Towers!:(

You just described your hero, Carlos Pena and that David Ortiz guy.

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You described your hero, Carlos Pena and that David Ortiz guy.

You could also say the same thing about Jeremy Guthrie. Nobody expected him to be a #1 for us. I think Hill is a great risk for our team and could turn out to be a real boost to our rotation.

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Do we really want a guy who seems to be scared of pitching in the AL? It seems like we're asking for tons of walks, because he's scared to throw a strike.

I dunno if he's necessarily "scared" to throw in the AL, but he certainly doesn't seem to want to leave his comfort zone one bit. And no, I'm not sure I'm necessarily thrilled about that proposition. You raise a pretty valid point.

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I'd like to present Colon, Bartolo and Penny, Brad as state exhibits A and B. And that's off of the top of my head for the last two years. I distinctly remember them signing guys like that and Wade Miller quite a bit over the years. They jump all over those guys and throw a bunch of them against the wall in hopes that they stick.

After coming off of season ending shoulder (torn labrum) surgery on June 10, 2008...

Boston signed, who will be 42 years this May, John Smoltz for the 2009 season.

His salary is as follows -

$5.5M in bonuses based on days on active 25-man roster:

- $125,000 for his first day

- $ 35,000 per day, June 1 - Oct. 3

- $500,000 for Oct. 4

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