Does Buck Showalter belong in the Orioles’ Hall of Fame?

[Pickles]

Let's be honest: It's not a real high bar.

Buck was probably the second most important manager the franchise has had.  That's deserving of an honor like this.

[Gofannon]

22 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

I love what Buck did, but honestly, it was so great because we had such low expectations. If he had a sub .500 record for many other teams, he would be seen as a failure. 

He had a sub-.500 record because they were 58 games below .500 in his final season.  It's not like they were 8 years of mediocre teams.  It was 3 playoff teams, a division winner, and 5 teams in a row that were .500 or better when the franchise hadn't sniffed those finishes and numbers in two decades.

Slight him for other things, but highlighting the .500 overall record isn't an accurate reflection of what he did for the franchise.

Like Sports Guy, it's not even a question for me.

[Orioles4Life21]

The fact that 2018 pushed him under .500 is a travesty 

[dystopia]

4 minutes ago, Orioles4Life21 said:

The fact that 2018 pushed him under .500 is a travesty 

I feel like the team quit on him after the Britton thing. 

[jabba72]

I voted no, but would say its a near lock Buck gets in going by past inductees. He was here for roughly 8 seasons and like another poster mentioned, Buck has the 2nd most wins in O's history.

His losing record with O's is one reason I voted no, the other being the Davis contract. The Britton decision never bugged me. 

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

I’m actually shocked anyone would say no.

I'm shocked someone hasn't said that the Britton/Ubaldo thing disqualifies him from all the things forever.

[Morgan423]

Gotta go with yes.  He didn't do it alone, DD pulled some shrewd moves to get players out of nowhere (Gonzalez, Chen, et cetera).

But IMO, Buck legit took a poor core (at least in the beginning) and got an insane amount of winning out of it.  As far as someone taking the minimum possible, and getting the absolute most out of it... that's where Buck gets in.

[OriolesMagic83]

Buck changed the whole trajectory of the franchise.  How is this even a question.  If Angelo's had decided to spend on some free agents, I feel like a World Series was in reach.  Duquesne provided some of the pieces but I feel that Buck was the main reason for the turn around.

[ledzepp8]

I'll bottomline it. We suffered through 14 straight abysmal losing seasons until Buck came along and helped the Orioles first get a WC in 2012 and then win the AL East after 17 years in 2014. I was a grown adult man, who openly wept when we clinched a playoff berth. I don't care about anything else. He's a Baltimore Orioles legend and definitely an Orioles HOFer.

Edited August 7, 2023 by ledzepp8

[ledzepp8]

For the people that say NO: Does JJ belong in the Orioles HOF? His and Buck's resumes are basically the same. They were apart of bringing winning and the playoffs back to the city of Baltimore.

[Roll Tide]

Answer ….In a word “NO” 

He had a ream that could’ve won it all. 

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, clapdiddy said:

Just out of curiosity, who determines nominees for the O's HOF?

http://www.orioleadvocates.org/orioles-hall-of-fame.html

[CynBeth]

I would put him in.

[btdart20]

42 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

If Angelo's had decided to spend on some free agents, I feel like a World Series was in reach.  

$140+m payroll says he did spend.  Top 10 IIRC.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, dystopia said:

I feel like the team quit on him after the Britton thing. 

That’s an incorrect narrative IMO.  The team started out gangbusters the year after the Britton thing, competed well most of the season, and collapsed in September.   The only thing Britton had to do with it is he got hurt and that impacted the bullpen.