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  1. 1. Which typo of high-profile move would make you happier?

    • Signing a very good free agent to a long term deal
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    • Signing one of the Orioles’ young stars to a multi-year extension
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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

The players are making $700k and guaranteed nothing if they suffer a career ending injury. $100M guaranteed takes care of their family and a few additional generations for life. I'd say that's a pretty strong incentive to sign a team friendly deal, and that's why players like Acuna and Robert are signing these deals. If it works out, the value that the team gets is typically much higher than we are seeing with free agents signing on the open market. 

 

It's easier to entice International players since mostly they don't sign for near the bonus guys like Adley and Jackson received.

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Can_of_corn
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You don't have a list do you?

RZNJ
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Easy.  The extension and preferably for Gunnar.

DirtyBird
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You realize how many Oriole fans will be dead by the time an offseason extension for Gunnar Henderson matters?

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We cans provide security, sure…but that doesn’t mean we have leverage. Players either want to or don’t want to sign these deals and delay their free agency. 
 

They have all the leverage here.

I'm not sure what you mean. We may have a different understanding of what constitutes leverage. Sure, a player is free to walk away, but it's a situation where we are the only bidder and the player has some incentive to take what we are offering. It doesn't always result in a team friendly deal but it's more likely than when negotiating with a free agent. 

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2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I'm not sure what you mean. We may have a different understanding of what constitutes leverage. Sure, a player is free to walk away, but it's a situation where we are the only bidder and the player has some incentive to take what we are offering. It doesn't always result in a team friendly deal but it's more likely than when negotiating with a free agent. 

We are the only one who can negotiate but if the player and agent don’t want to do it, they don’t need to.

These players are not in a position where they have to sign a deal like this. It’s completely up to them.

Now, if they go to the team and request an extension, say they want to be here beyond their arb years, etc..that changes the equation. 

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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

It's easier to entice International players since mostly they don't sign for near the bonus guys like Adley and Jackson received.

Easier perhaps, but just look at the Braves, they have had success extending plenty of American players. Maybe Gunnar is our guy to target. 

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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

Easier perhaps, but just look at the Braves, they have had success extending plenty of American players. Maybe Gunnar is our guy to target. 

The Boras factor is important here too.

He works for the players but players tend to follow what their agent thinks is best.  That could be an issue.

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4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

We are the only one who can negotiate but if the player and agent don’t want to do it, they don’t need to.

These players are not in a position where they have to sign a deal like this. It’s completely up to them.

Now, if they go to the team and request an extension, say they want to be here beyond their arb years, etc..that changes the equation. 

Yes, but there is a difference in your negotiating position if you don't have the ability to get a competitive offer from another team. If you want to call that something other than leverage, okay, but I don't have a better word for it.

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2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Yes, but there is a difference in your negotiating position if you don't have the ability to get a competitive offer from another team. If you want to call that something other than leverage, okay, but I don't have a better word for it.

Yes but if you don’t even want to negotiate, does this even matter?

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The Boras factor is important here too.

He works for the players but players tend to follow what their agent thinks is best.  That could be an issue.

Definitely. I'm not predicting anything here. I just think it is more likely we end up with a team friendly extension than a team friendly free agent deal. Free agent deals tend to be market rate at best. Speaking of "models," I think what the Braves are doing is every bit as interesting as the Rays. 

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Of course not, but there are many examples of players who have been willing to negotiate team friendly extension deals (including one of the main guys you want to trade for!).

Yes, the foreign players who usually come from nothing are willing to sign but they aren’t the only ones.

Makes me feel good about a Basallo extension if it comes to that.

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13 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The Boras factor is important here too.

He works for the players but players tend to follow what their agent thinks is best.  That could be an issue.

He will also generally push his clients to the best opportunity for them to succeed which hasn't been the case in Baltimore in a long time.  I know for a fact that Elias is well thought of and respected by Boras and his associates (I have an acquaintance that works there-young Ivy league grad that pitched like Elias) but I still get the feeling there is continued unease over ownership.

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6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, the foreign players who usually come from nothing are willing to sign but they aren’t the only ones.

Makes me feel good about a Basallo extension if it comes to that.

Sure, if we had a better international pipeline we might get more of these. Still, the Braves have plenty of American born comps. Adam Jones would be a recent example for us. It's worth trying, IMO. And I am not opposed to smart spending on free agents. 

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