Holliday 2024 fWAR expectations

[Pickles]

4 minutes ago, Malike said:

I still think they can carry him while he learns if the team plays well. He has nothing to prove in AAA, he has shown he can hit AAA pitching, he needs to see ML pitching, it's a huge jump in talent and there is no higher level.

Eh.  I think he'll play basically every day, either in the MLB or if he keeps being essentially unplayable, in AAA.

[OrangeRocks]

No idea. Too many flippin' WAR stats.

[DrungoHazewood]

2 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:

Well there’s a big difference between a good fielding SS and an average fielding 2nd baseman when it comes to WAR.  Unless you think Holliday is elite at 2B.  I’m not so sure about that yet. 

The difference between a +0 average 2B and a +5 SS is 10 runs, or one win. 

[Can_of_corn]

58 minutes ago, OrangeRocks said:

No idea. Too many flippin' WAR stats.

They say War never changes but it seems to me they re-calibrate it every few years.

[DrungoHazewood]

2 hours ago, Fiver6565 said:

Worst case scenario, what is the number of at bats that would force them to make a decision on sending him back down?  Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but what would it truly take?  3 for 100 or something nuts like that?

Cal started his career 14-for-104 (.135) and didn't get sent down.

Of course he didn't have to deal with social media and 24/7 talk radio goons yelling incessantly about how a brief rough patch means we should question the foundations of western civilization.

[DrungoHazewood]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

They say War never changes but it seems to me they re-calibrate it every few years.

Who are these people who supposedly say WAR never changes? And why are you listening to them?

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Who are these people who supposedly say WAR never changes? And why are you listening to them?

Haven't gamed in the last 25 years or keep up on modern entertainment trends eh?

[DrungoHazewood]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Haven't gamed in the last 25 years or keep up on modern entertainment trends eh?

Hey, I'm as into Taylor Swift as any 52-year-old white guy who doesn't know a single Taylor Swift song.

[Moose Milligan]

Would 2.9 WAR be enough to win Rookie of the Year?  

*ducks at Frobby's incoming post about how awards aren't WAR races nowadays*

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Hey, I'm as into Taylor Swift as any 52-year-old white guy who doesn't know a single Taylor Swift song.

You taking tomorrow off?

I know a 54 year old who is.

[Fiver6565]

15 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Cal started his career 14-for-104 (.135) and didn't get sent down.

Of course he didn't have to deal with social media and 24/7 talk radio goons yelling incessantly about how a brief rough patch means we should question the foundations of western civilization.

To be clear, I don't think he's going to get sent down.  But the reality is he will need to pick up the pace relatively significantly to even get to the Cal bar.  He's on pace for 5 or 6-for-104 right now, with a million K's in there.  Again, not saying that will continue, I highly doubt it does.  I'm just curious HOW bad it would have to get before they'd send him down.

I also don't think he's necessarily shown that he's mastered AAA pitching, as someone else posited. He's hit well there but it wasn't a lot of games, and half the ones from this year were against a team that seems it shouldn't even be in AAA its so bad.  I'd be curious how far his stats would have dropped in AAA if he'd stayed, the way the rest of the guys have evened off.

All of which is to say, he's here, and I am pretty confident he's staying almost regardless, but I am curious where the line for breaching that 'almost' is.

[Sports Guy]

Have the same poll up on twitter.

So far, with 79 votes, it’s 51% under , 49% over.

So, OH i more pessimistic so far.

Surprising result to me.

[foxfield]

I think the cut off is pretty fair. I say under but over wouldn’t be a surprise. I think the kid will settle in fine. Everyone is worried about the bat. I am slightly concerned about the defense. 

[RZNJ]

4 hours ago, btdart20 said:

I took the over.  Maybe should gave taken the under as a reverse jinx...

No, that’s Dirty Bird and OnlyOneBowler’s job.

[RZNJ]

If taking the over is wrong then I don’t want to be right.

Edited April 18 by RZNJ