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  1. 1. Holliday 2024 fWAR: O/U 2.9?


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4 minutes ago, Malike said:

I still think they can carry him while he learns if the team plays well. He has nothing to prove in AAA, he has shown he can hit AAA pitching, he needs to see ML pitching, it's a huge jump in talent and there is no higher level.

Eh.  I think he'll play basically every day, either in the MLB or if he keeps being essentially unplayable, in AAA.

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They say War never changes but it seems to me they re-calibrate it every few years.

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I’d take the under, and I probably would have said that the day he got called up.  ZiPS had him at 2.7 before the season began, and now has him at 2.2 the rest of the way (he’s at -0.2 now, so the upd

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If you had a team full of "OK" 3 wins guys you'd do really well. The O's had two position players last season that had 3 fWAR.

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2 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:

Well there’s a big difference between a good fielding SS and an average fielding 2nd baseman when it comes to WAR.  Unless you think Holliday is elite at 2B.  I’m not so sure about that yet. 

The difference between a +0 average 2B and a +5 SS is 10 runs, or one win. 

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2 hours ago, Fiver6565 said:

Worst case scenario, what is the number of at bats that would force them to make a decision on sending him back down?  Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but what would it truly take?  3 for 100 or something nuts like that?

Cal started his career 14-for-104 (.135) and didn't get sent down.

Of course he didn't have to deal with social media and 24/7 talk radio goons yelling incessantly about how a brief rough patch means we should question the foundations of western civilization.

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15 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Cal started his career 14-for-104 (.135) and didn't get sent down.

Of course he didn't have to deal with social media and 24/7 talk radio goons yelling incessantly about how a brief rough patch means we should question the foundations of western civilization.

To be clear, I don't think he's going to get sent down.  But the reality is he will need to pick up the pace relatively significantly to even get to the Cal bar.  He's on pace for 5 or 6-for-104 right now, with a million K's in there.  Again, not saying that will continue, I highly doubt it does.  I'm just curious HOW bad it would have to get before they'd send him down.

I also don't think he's necessarily shown that he's mastered AAA pitching, as someone else posited. He's hit well there but it wasn't a lot of games, and half the ones from this year were against a team that seems it shouldn't even be in AAA its so bad.  I'd be curious how far his stats would have dropped in AAA if he'd stayed, the way the rest of the guys have evened off.

All of which is to say, he's here, and I am pretty confident he's staying almost regardless, but I am curious where the line for breaching that 'almost' is.

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