Jump to content

The 2024 Trade Deadline

Greg Pappas

By Greg Pappas
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

oriole Veteran All-Star

oriole

Posted
Posted
12 minutes ago, MDK02 said:

Does anyone think any of the big 3 will be traded today. I think there is zero chance of it. Elias loves the farm system and it seems to be hard for him to give up anyone. 

I don’t think so either. Until Elias shows a willingness to make a bold move, I’ll assume he stays calculated and risk averse.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 6k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Moose Milligan
Moose Milligan

A three team trade!    Live look in at @Sports Guy

Sports Guy
Sports Guy

You don’t seem to get it. Mayo and Basallo aren’t just prospects. These guys are upper echelon elite offensive talents that have usually been at the top of their leagues offensively while also being v

Brian88
Brian88

The callers on 105.7 are all the people that have been banned from this site over the last few years.

Posted Images

LookinUp Hangout Grand Counsel

LookinUp

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, MDK02 said:

Does anyone think any of the big 3 will be traded today. I think there is zero chance of it. Elias loves the farm system and it seems to be hard for him to give up anyone. 

I just looked at Holliday's Fangraphs page. A couple of interesting things (to me).

1. ZIPS projects Holliday to hit ~.255 with an OPS of ~.730 in 2025 and 2026.
2. Even with his very good wRC+ (141), he's hitting only .271 in AAA this year. Note, Mayo is somewhere in the 130's for wRC+.
3. Holliday has an approximate .160 spread between his batting average and his OBP. That's because of his absurd 21.7 bb%.

On one hand, the walks are awesome while the 22.3 k% is acceptable. On the other hand, I wonder if he's going to hit the ball enough to be a true impact major leaguer. 

If I were to trade one of the top 3, I think it's Holliday. 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jackson-holliday/31781/stats?position=2B

 

  • Upvote 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
OsFanSinceThe80s Hangout Grand Counsel

OsFanSinceThe80s

Posted
Posted
13 minutes ago, MDK02 said:

Does anyone think any of the big 3 will be traded today. I think there is zero chance of it. Elias loves the farm system and it seems to be hard for him to give up anyone. 

I would be surprised if one of Holliday, Mayo or Basallo is not an Oriole at 6pm this evening. Skubal is the only pitcher available where I see Elias would use one of the top three prospects and by all reports those players aren't in any trade discussions.

Elias should be able to get bullpen help without having to overpay. Now if Elias decides to acquire another starter then it will probably be an Eflin type without giving up one of the top three.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
interloper Hangout Grand Counsel

interloper

Posted
Posted

I will settle for a Scott-level reliever today and call the deadline a relative win. In a season where we need so much at the deadline, it's just really hard to actually get everything you need with so much competition for arms. 

I would love a Scott-level reliever and another SP. I'm not sure it's incredibly likely though. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Gunnar Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Gunnar

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, interloper said:

I will settle for a Scott-level reliever today and call the deadline a relative win. In a season where we need so much at the deadline, it's just really hard to actually get everything you need with so much competition for arms. 

I would love a Scott-level reliever and another SP. I'm not sure it's incredibly likely though. 

I agree, although Snell could be available at a relatively affordable prospect cost. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
7Mo Major Leaguer

7Mo

Posted
Posted
10 minutes ago, interloper said:

I will settle for a Scott-level reliever today and call the deadline a relative win. In a season where we need so much at the deadline, it's just really hard to actually get everything you need with so much competition for arms. 

I would love a Scott-level reliever and another SP. I'm not sure it's incredibly likely though. 

I'd like seeing Scott + Tyler Anderson and Kevin Pillar. I'm also watching Dylan Carlson who seems like an Elias type guy to me and the Cards are gonna dump him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Just Regular Hangout Grand Counsel

Just Regular

Posted
Posted

I think I just saw the pinnacle of Jon Morosi being a mass entertainer rather than a journalist.

He just speculated the winning offer the Orioles should do for Tarik Skubal is Jackson Holliday, Coby Mayo and either Samuel Basallo or Kyle Stowers.

He does not understand these things very well.    He is just saying names casual fans have heard of to build excitement.

Even Mark DeRosa and Al Leiter on the couch reacted like, "that was dumb".

  • Upvote 1
  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Gunnar Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Gunnar

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, interloper said:

Reports are they are not trading Snell now. 

 

Could be posturing. I think if they get a good offer they would listen (although that goes against my previous comment of him being affordable haha).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
interloper Hangout Grand Counsel

interloper

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

I think I just saw the pinnacle of Jon Morosi being a mass entertainer rather than a journalist.

He just speculated the winning offer the Orioles should do for Tarik Skubal is Jackson Holliday, Coby Mayo and either Samuel Basallo or Kyle Stowers.

He does not understand these things very well.    He is just saying names casual fans have heard of to build excitement.

Even Mark DeRosa and Al Leiter on the couch reacted like, "that was dumb".

Yeah that's pretty terrible. Losing a lot of respect for Morosi this deadline. I used to think he was one of the good ones, but now I'm not sure he's any better than a Bowden or Heyman. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
DrinkinWithFermi Perennial All-Star

DrinkinWithFermi

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

He just speculated the winning offer the Orioles should do for Tarik Skubal is Jackson Holliday, Coby Mayo and either Samuel Basallo or Kyle Stowers.

Ah yes, the well-known interchangeable duo of Kyle Stowers and Samuel Basallo, whose trade value is nearly identical...

...wait, WHAT?!

  • Upvote 2
  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bemorewins Hangout Grand Counsel

Bemorewins

Posted
Posted
30 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

Plus they're going into their first off season with new ownership.  I would be pretty ticked as a fan if they spent prospects like a kid in a candy store for just one shot at it.

I don’t know who’s advocating this? I haven’t seen it here or elsewhere.

However, one of Holliday, Mayo, or Basallo should almost certainly be able to land us an equal talent on the pitching side. Which is where we are very weak.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Greg Pappas Hangout Grand Counsel

Greg Pappas

Posted
  • Author
Posted
10 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

I think I just saw the pinnacle of Jon Morosi being a mass entertainer rather than a journalist.

He just speculated the winning offer the Orioles should do for Tarik Skubal is Jackson Holliday, Coby Mayo and either Samuel Basallo or Kyle Stowers.

He does not understand these things very well.    He is just saying names casual fans have heard of to build excitement.

Even Mark DeRosa and Al Leiter on the couch reacted like, "that was dumb".

Thanks for sharing that.  It's crazy that he thinks that... or he's just trying to drum up a controversial take for ratings.  Either way, it's foolish.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • HardlyRocked
      O’s look done

      By HardlyRocked · Posted

      It is my firm belief that the Orioles are suffering from an organizational flaw.  Mainly in their hitting and fielding instruction.  Mainly at the lower levels.  I actually believe that their pitching metrics and instruction are good.  It is just that they never draft enough pitchers to fully realize the fruits of their labor and the good minor league pitchers that they do have?  They don't extend and pitch enough.  It seems as if they are always being babied.  So other teams snatch them up in trades because they see the potential and they tend do pretty well with them afterwards.  Without having to do really anything other than a few tweeks.  Imo the Orioles hitting and fielding instruction has a big flaw.  There is a major disconnect between what they are teaching in the minor leagues and how that translates to the major leagues.  For example 2 players in Mayo and Holliday appear to be complete novices when it comes to hitting major league pitching.  This despite doing very well in the minors.  I could list others as well but those are the 2 prime examples.  They are not just bad.  They are almost historically bad.  Especially when you add it the fact they are top ranked players in the minors.  In addition I believe that Manager Hyde has no business coaching a major league team trying to win a world series.  He is fine as a placard when there is a team that is supposed to tank.   He can keep things on a fairy level keel.    Like the Orioles from 2017 to 2021.  But his approach as a manager in getting a team to be disciplined and focused on taking that next step to the playoffs and beyond is severely lacking imo.  The Orioles play very poor fundamental baseball in all facets.  Hitting.  Running.  Fielding.  Pitching.    That is simply coaching 101.   I sincerely hope that the Orioles brass understands this and makes the proper moves this coming off season. 
    • Can_of_corn
      O's .300 hitters

      By Can_of_corn · Posted

      The poster child for the old school approach has struck out 26 times in 632 plate appearances.  He's hitting .322, his OPS+ is 109.
    • LGOrioles
      Irvin claimed by Twins

      By LGOrioles · Posted

      He was good in the pen last year. He had a 7.71 ERA in the pen this year and an 8.08 ERA overall the last 3 months. 
    • Frobby
      O's .300 hitters

      By Frobby · Posted

      In 2008, the MLB average was .264.  Today it’s .244.   It’s very tough to hit .300 these days.  in 2008 there were 41 players with 400 PA who hit .300.  Right now the 41st player with 350 PA (lowered since there’s still 12ish games to play) is batting .273.    Maybe some part of that is offenses deemphasizing BA.   The bigger part, IMO, is that pitching just keeps getting harder and harder to hit.     
    • Can_of_corn
      O’s look done

      By Can_of_corn · Posted

      Sure, but let's be real, he isn't the team's best power hitter. You didn't need to talk him up like that.
    • HardlyRocked
      Irvin claimed by Twins

      By HardlyRocked · Posted

      I cannot say I am a fan of this move by the O's (being available to be claimed) considering the scrubs they have started recently.   At the very least he was a good middle reliever.   
    • Frobby
      O's .300 hitters

      By Frobby · Posted

      I can’t speak to recently, but on the year, the O’s have the 6th-fewest looking strikeouts in MLB.   They’ve struck out looking 270 times, and league average is 300.   (Interestingly, through yesterday there were exactly 9,000 looking strikeouts in MLB this year.)

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...