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1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Take Erceg for example, is he that much better than what McDermott could be out of the pen with 5 weeks of experience?

Erceg has been worth 0.3 fWAR. He's not one of the best RP available right now. Hell, Akin has been worth 0.8 fWAR. 

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6 minutes ago, dzorange said:

You can't just forget about the Burnes trade.

Shhh, that's inconvenient to his "Elias is incompetent/plays it safe too much" agenda. Please don't remind him that Elias went out in the offseason and traded for the American League All-Star Game Starting Pitcher.

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2 minutes ago, J.D. said:

Dominguez was Philly's best reliever by far last October. I think you're grossly exaggerating how anxious they were to offload him. 

In your opinion, is he better than Hoffman, Kerkering, or Estevez? Which one of those guys are you getting rid of for Dominguez?

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3 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Are we discernibly better for October? 

Yes Eflin is better by far than anything that we had. But what else. The Phillies couldn't wait to offload Dominguez. Now are we going to believe that we are a better team that they are or have a bullpen anywhere close to as good with the likes of Dominguez, Kimbrel, and Cano?

Apparently the type of talent that would make us better in October would have cost more than Elias was willing to pay. Stowers/Norby was pretty much as high up the list as I would have wanted him to go and he did in fact trade them.

Sounds like Skubal is not really available, same with Snell, and Crochet has massive question marks. Who else would really move the needle more than Eflin/Rogers? 

Still hopeful for a bullpen arm but Seranthony has great stuff and closing experience. 

I think Elias has done a fine job maximizing return for the assets he was willing to burn. The question is whether he should be willing to go all in and trade Holliday et al. I can see the case for going all in this year but I also respect the decision not to. We have seen what a pipeline of young talent can do for a franchise long term. 

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5 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

I'm still thinking there's another big move or two coming.

I don't, they've thinned out much of their prospect pool. The big names still remain, and there are some other depth guys, but it would be interesting how much Elias wants to gut the system in one year. Joey Ortiz, DL Hall, Kyle Stowers, Connor Norby... to his credit, with the exception of Ortiz (who was blocked at the MLB level in Baltimore), no one of really great value has been traded.

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6 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Didn't Elias have time to learn and assess the market last deadline. If he is shocked by the sticker price this year, there is something wrong.

Who says he didn't assess the market?  What he didn't predict is the season ending injuries to Bradish and Wells and perhaps Means too.  My guess is that if he wants Skubal he'll have to part with both Holliday and Basallo/Mayo, plus who knows what else, and he won't do that. 

What's interesting is that he has stayed away from rentals -- at least so far.  I suspect he's done with starters but is still working on one or two arms for the pen.  

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5 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

In your opinion, is he better than Hoffman, Kerkering, or Estevez? Which one of those guys are you getting rid of for Dominguez?

He was last October, and it wasn't close. Estevez wasn't on that team last October. I wouldn't have minded acquiring him, but Hays was a very low price to pay for someone like Dominguez, especially considering that the only stats for Dominguez that are worse this year than last year are his ERA and Home Run rates.

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6 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

So basically one of the top 12ish prospects in the sport could not highlight a package for a difference making SP?

Every contender in the game is trying to land a difference making starter. No one has done it this trade deadline. It is universally reported that the asks for Skubal, Crochet and even Flaherty are astronomical.

Blaming Elias for not making a trade that no one else is willing to make either is foolish.

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Just now, Aristotelian said:

Apparently the type of talent that would make us better in October would have cost more than Elias was willing to pay. Stowers/Norby was pretty much as high up the list as I would have wanted him to go and he did in fact trade them.

Sounds like Skubal is not really available, same with Snell, and Crochet has massive question marks. Who else would really move the needle more than Eflin/Rogers? 

Still hopeful for a bullpen arm but Seranthony has great stuff and closing experience. 

I think Elias has done a fine job maximizing return for the assets he was willing to burn. The question is whether he should be willing to go all in and trade Holliday et al. I can see the case for going all in this year but I also respect the decision not to. We have seen what a pipeline of young talent can do for a franchise long term. 

Were none of those pitchers available? Or were none available without giving up a Holliday or Basallo? I guess we won't know at least for right now.

But Estevez (the reliever that the Phils acquired from the Angels) or Ecreg are the type of player that we should have been looking to add to the team along with Dominguez.

It just seems like other teams are willing to pay the price that we never are.

 

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2 minutes ago, J.D. said:

Shhh, that's inconvenient to his "Elias is incompetent/plays it safe too much" agenda. Please don't remind him that Elias went out in the offseason and traded for the American League All-Star Game Starting Pitcher.

I loved the Burnes trade but come on, it was a safe move.

He traded depth and only took on a one year commitment.

 

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Yankees wouldn’t trade him to us. Probably trying to get prospects for someone like Scott.

Why wouldn't they? He's an automatic out and we watched him fall on his face playing LF in OPACY. They'd love to have him in our lineup.

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