Should Rubenstein relieve Mike Elias of his duties?

[Allan Bryant]

As a boomer myself, I also did not enjoyed the injuries , slumps & losing since AS Break. However this thread about ‘ should Elias be fired ‘ is overreacting take . If the Orioles were playing at White Sox level, I can understand ‘ torches and pitchforks’ mob might ignite several threads like this one, perhaps even nastier . 
 

 

[Explosivo]

1 hour ago, Allan Bryant said:

As a boomer myself, I also did not enjoyed the injuries , slumps & losing since AS Break. However this thread about ‘ should Elias be fired ‘ is overreacting take . If the Orioles were playing at White Sox level, I can understand ‘ torches and pitchforks’ mob might ignite several threads like this one, perhaps even nastier . 
 

 

People with takes like Webrick come from bitter husks. They honestly should find another team to follow or perhaps go for a walk or something. Maybe take up quilting or find a gym? Maybe join a softball league? It’s embarrassing honestly.

[Winter]

Keep acting like Elias can predict an entire rotation of starting pitching going down for the year and act like Elias could open up a magical wallet to sign FAs when Angelos was selling the team. Funny Rubenstein hasn't even owned the team for one offseason yet without people crying about what he needs to do. 

Maybe Elias should of checked the end of a rainbow to find a pot of gold, oh wait Angelos would of kept that too. 

None of the young talent are the problem with this team if Mountcastle & Mullins do what they’re more than capable of. 

Elias was suppose to predict the Mateo, Westburg, Mountcastle, Kjerstad injuries? It’s his fault the Yankees/Blue Jays beamed em? Wasn’t Elias accused of keeping Holliday/Mayo etc. in the minors and everyone here wanted Urias/Mateo like players gone? Now whining about the defense? as if Elias knew the youngins were a defensive liability? but no most of you just accuse Elias of manipulating service time lol. Pick a lane. 

[Warehouse]

10 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

I've not heard anything come from him that encourages me to think he'll be OK with losing money.

He has explicitly said he is not OK with losing money:

“Remember, it’s a business, but it’s also a sport, so we want to be competitive and do well, but we don’t want to lose money or basically have an operation where people don’t want to work at it because we can’t afford to pay people what they think they should be paid.”

I expect the budget he will give Elias will average about 48-55% of net revenue.  Maybe even a bit higher if ownership thinks a ring is in our grasp. That’s defining payroll as including 40-man salaries, buyouts, share of pre-arb bonuses, cash considerations to other teams, and benefits (~$18MM) but excluding Rule 4 and J2 bonuses, non-40 man minors payroll, coaching staff, front office staff and and analytics subscriptions.  Net revenue is inclusive of revenue sharing.

That’s a higher ratio of payroll to revenue than any team in our division except Toronto, which is misleading because Rogers gets a lot of sponsorship and TV value outside of Forbes reported revenue.

That doesn’t mean Elias will spend the full allotted budget.  I expect him to philosophically avoid the risk that comes with long term contracts.  He’ll be careful that future spending commitments don’t create a situation where we need to shed payroll due to unexpected arb increases or needs that pop up.  He’ll want to keep some powder dry for the deadline and possible extensions.  He won’t spend just to spend if he doesn’t think it improves the team.

I also think Catie Griggs will drive increased revenue.  I don’t expect Rubinstein to fully pocket the gains, but think he’ll expand Elias’s budget by over 50% of the incremental gains net of rev share tax. The measures to increase revenue won’t always be popular but they will help the team.  

So while Rubinstein will increase spending, that doesn’t mean we’ll be able to extend all of our core or compete for the Soto’s and Burnes’s of the world.  I think overall it’s good news for the Orioles but will fall short of many fans’ expectations.

[Warehouse]

Forgot to include link to quote: https://www.baltimorebaseball.com/2024/07/24/questions-answers-david-rubenstein-part-1/

[sevastras]

9 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I'm saying that Rubinstein is not going to be popular in Baltimore for long if he is seen as hoarding profits from the O's as a lot of people here think is going to happen.  Peter Angelos actually spent money at a decent rate in line w/ attendance and revenue, I think people were just turned off by his nasty personality.  I don't know if a Tampa Bay model will be popular in Baltimore, where you tear down and trade your stars every 3 or 4 years.  It's not popular in Tampa.  I guess we'll see in the offseason. 

Thank you, your point was way more concise and easier to understand.  Valid point.

[Safelykept]

23 hours ago, Safelykept said:

I think they should try to trade him, before moving on from him.

I was first to respond to this topic. Never thought it would go 18 pages and counting

[Aristotelian]

2 hours ago, Warehouse said:

He has explicitly said he is not OK with losing money:

“Remember, it’s a business, but it’s also a sport, so we want to be competitive and do well, but we don’t want to lose money or basically have an operation where people don’t want to work at it because we can’t afford to pay people what they think they should be paid.”

I expect the budget he will give Elias will average about 48-55% of net revenue.  Maybe even a bit higher if ownership thinks a ring is in our grasp. That’s defining payroll as including 40-man salaries, buyouts, share of pre-arb bonuses, cash considerations to other teams, and benefits (~$18MM) but excluding Rule 4 and J2 bonuses, non-40 man minors payroll, coaching staff, front office staff and and analytics subscriptions.  Net revenue is inclusive of revenue sharing.

That’s a higher ratio of payroll to revenue than any team in our division except Toronto, which is misleading because Rogers gets a lot of sponsorship and TV value outside of Forbes reported revenue.

That doesn’t mean Elias will spend the full allotted budget.  I expect him to philosophically avoid the risk that comes with long term contracts.  He’ll be careful that future spending commitments don’t create a situation where we need to shed payroll due to unexpected arb increases or needs that pop up.  He’ll want to keep some powder dry for the deadline and possible extensions.  He won’t spend just to spend if he doesn’t think it improves the team.

I also think Catie Griggs will drive increased revenue.  I don’t expect Rubinstein to fully pocket the gains, but think he’ll expand Elias’s budget by over 50% of the incremental gains net of rev share tax. The measures to increase revenue won’t always be popular but they will help the team.  

So while Rubinstein will increase spending, that doesn’t mean we’ll be able to extend all of our core or compete for the Soto’s and Burnes’s of the world.  I think overall it’s good news for the Orioles but will fall short of many fans’ expectations.

Great post. I especially agree with the bolded part above. He may get the green light from ownership to increase payroll and still minimize use of free agency. 

What is the longest/highest total dollar contract Houston has given out in free agency? Hader's 5/$100?

They extended some of their core but not all of them.  

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Great post. I especially agree with the bolded part above. He may get the green light from ownership to increase payroll and still minimize use of free agency. 

What is the longest/highest total dollar contract Houston has given out in free agency? Hader's 5/$100?

They extended some of their core but not all of them.  

I don't think folks should look to closely to what the Astros have done.  It's not the same situation.  I don't think it is likely that Elias is just planning on copying the playbook passage for passage.

[Aristotelian]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think folks should look to closely to what the Astros have done.  It's not the same situation.  I don't think it is likely that Elias is just planning on copying the playbook passage for passage.

Sure, organizations are different and there are tons of variables. I think Houston is a good guideline since that is where he comes from and presumably he was brought to Baltimore to build a similar organization. My sense so far is not f there are differences he will lean more toward Tampa than LA and will draft tons of college hitters.

[Mooreisbetter27]

I still don't understand why anyone takes webbrick seriously.  I guess there's a teeny chance he actually is an Oriole fan, but the guy never says a single thing positive about anything the Orioles ever do.  Like Drungo said, even in 2014 he was lamblasting them.  Did you see him much last year when we were winning 101?  He literally only pops up when A) things are going poorly, or B) One of his "predictions"is coming to light i/r/t an Oriole player (Witt being the choice over Adley).

Maybe he's just a naturally negative person who's miserable no matter what happens, but it's just trolling behavior.  Don't.  Feed.  The.  Trolls.  

[maybenxtyr]

Obviously Elias deserves more time than what the OP suggested.  He's not above being questioned though, and most people on here do question him and moves.

 

I defended the Rogers trade at the time, and I really liked Norby and Stowers. I still believe this move was made with 25 and 26 in.mind, bit I also wonder if it was partially made to get something for 2 players on the 40 man that wouldn't get much opportunity in Baltimore? They need room on the 40 this off season and maybe he decided to get the best he Gould for marginal players.

[BRobinsonfan]

14 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

 

I will say that I personally believe that Angelos wanted a low payroll as the team was his main source of income.

His law firm is one of the most successful personal injury firms in the country.  

[RZNJ]

6 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

Obviously Elias deserves more time than what the OP suggested.  He's not above being questioned though, and most people on here do question him and moves.

 

I defended the Rogers trade at the time, and I really liked Norby and Stowers. I still believe this move was made with 25 and 26 in.mind, bit I also wonder if it was partially made to get something for 2 players on the 40 man that wouldn't get much opportunity in Baltimore? They need room on the 40 this off season and maybe he decided to get the best he Gould for marginal players.

You could drive a bus through the amount of room we’ll have on the 40 man roster this winter.   

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, BRobinsonfan said:

His law firm is one of the most successful personal injury firms in the country.  

The law firm was one of the most successful personal injury firms in the country.  That is what allowed Peter to buy the team in the first place.

From all I had read the firm had not been doing well for quite some time.

If you have any knowledge of recent wins I'd be glad to change my post.