Analytics

[speckle69]

I have been wondering for awhile if analytics could be overwhelming our players. These kids came to the majors as superstars at every level they played; little league through minors. All of a sudden they are bombarded with information changing their swing, stance, the way they may hold the bat, etc. I believe we may be better off backing off on changing these kids and letting they have the fun their use to playing this great game. 

[Moose Milligan]

They get this information in the minors, too. 

[Aristotelian]

Were they overwhelmed by analytics when we won 100+ games last year? 

[wildcard]

Overwhelmed with injuries.

[casadeozo]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Overwhelmed with injuries.

While I disagree with the premise of the thread, the injuries have zero to do with m why Adley looks lost, Cowser is top 5 in strikeouts, and Holliday looking completely lost.

[Aristotelian]

37 minutes ago, casadeozo said:

While I disagree with the premise of the thread, the injuries have zero to do with m why Adley looks lost, Cowser is top 5 in strikeouts, and Holliday looking completely lost.

Injuries probably have something to do with Adley's struggles, and Holliday wouldn't be playing, or not as much as he is, were it not for injuries.

[wildcard]

40 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Injuries probably have something to do with Adley's struggles, and Holliday wouldn't be playing, or not as much as he is, were it not for injuries.

Agree and Cowser is one of the top rookies in the AL.

[casadeozo]

Just now, wildcard said:

Agree and Cowser is one of the top rookies in the AL.

lol talk about glass half full perspective. It’s one of the worst rookie classes in years

[Aristotelian]

16 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Agree and Cowser is one of the top rookies in the AL.

He has been awful lately and has likely blown his chance at ROY and cost us a draft pick. I'm pretty down on Cowser at the moment

[Too Tall]

11 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

He has been awful lately and has likely blown his chance at ROY and cost us a draft pick. I'm pretty down on Cowser at the moment

That makes two of us! MOOO

[wildcard]

With two weeks left in the season Coweer is one of the top  rookies in the AL.    That is pretty hard to deny.

Edited Saturday at 20:48 by wildcard

[casadeozo]

10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

With two weeks left in the season Coweer is one of the top  rookies in the AL.    That is pretty hard to deny.

Repeating an irrelevant point doesn’t make it relevant 

back to the discussion of data and and it’s effect on young hitters 

[SteveA]

I can't help but wonder if our hitting coaches basically just do one thing:   preach the launch angle approach that Elias has determined that leads to optimal overall results.   Don't worry about strikeouts.   Emphasis on doing the most damage when you swing (vs just trying to put the ball in play, hit 'em where they ain't, etc).

And that approach, taken as a whole, DOES lead to better overall results, and I believe it IS the correct holistic approach for an organization to take in drafting, developing, and coaching players?

But if it is the only thing our hitting coaches know how to teach, could that also be a problem?    When a batter is in a slump, maybe he should be less concerned with focusing on the amount of damage he does per swing, but jsut with putting the ball in play to make something happen.    Could there be a psychological effect?   Players and ex-players will talk abouit a bloop hit helping them get out of a slump.   Football players will talk about going immediately back to a receiver who drops a ball to boost his confidence and "keep him in the game".

And most "old school" baseball coaches believed in these things, and used them to help guys get out of slumps.   Maybe there is still some wisdom in that approach, not as a primary approach, but to help a guy get his confidence back, start seeing the ball better, etc.   And maybe the guys we hired aren't able to, even temporarily, change what they are telling guys to help them when they are struggling.

Just speculating.   Grasping for answers at the astonishing lack of hitting we are seeing on so many nights.   

[casadeozo]

44 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I can't help but wonder if our hitting coaches basically just do one thing:   preach the launch angle approach that Elias has determined that leads to optimal overall results.   Don't worry about strikeouts.   Emphasis on doing the most damage when you swing (vs just trying to put the ball in play, hit 'em where they ain't, etc).

And that approach, taken as a whole, DOES lead to better overall results, and I believe it IS the correct holistic approach for an organization to take in drafting, developing, and coaching players?

But if it is the only thing our hitting coaches know how to teach, could that also be a problem?    When a batter is in a slump, maybe he should be less concerned with focusing on the amount of damage he does per swing, but jsut with putting the ball in play to make something happen.    Could there be a psychological effect?   Players and ex-players will talk abouit a bloop hit helping them get out of a slump.   Football players will talk about going immediately back to a receiver who drops a ball to boost his confidence and "keep him in the game".

And most "old school" baseball coaches believed in these things, and used them to help guys get out of slumps.   Maybe there is still some wisdom in that approach, not as a primary approach, but to help a guy get his confidence back, start seeing the ball better, etc.   And maybe the guys we hired aren't able to, even temporarily, change what they are telling guys to help them when they are struggling.

Just speculating.   Grasping for answers at the astonishing lack of hitting we are seeing on so many nights.   

Ya I think there is perhaps something to this.

Edgar Martinez took over hitting coach responsibilities a few weeks ago when Servais was let go. Very small sample size but they’ve had some improvement on their beyond anemic offense. He obviously teaches a very old school approach and said something to the effect of “no amount of launch angle can fix a bad swing”

im reminded of watching Cal when I was growing up how often he would change his stance when he was in a bit of a slump. Now that he has a partial ownership stake in the team, it may make some sense to lean on him for input. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, casadeozo said:

Ya I think there is perhaps something to this.

Edgar Martinez took over hitting coach responsibilities a few weeks ago when Servais was let go. Very small sample size but they’ve had some improvement on their beyond anemic offense. He obviously teaches a very old school approach and said something to the effect of “no amount of launch angle can fix a bad swing”

im reminded of watching Cal when I was growing up how often he would change his stance when he was in a bit of a slump. Now that he has a partial ownership stake in the team, it may make some sense to lean on him for input. 

Please no.

I want Cal to smile and wave.