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They could be true, but it is not like Hardy will not have trade value during the season. It is not like the Twins give guys away either. I think we give up a little bit for Hardy, but the Orioles can not expect the Twins to pay some of Hardy's salary if the Twins are moving him because of the salary. If the Orioles decide to pay it maybe to keep certain prospects out of the deal.

I'm not arguing any of this. I'm not saying the Twins don't have leverage.

All I'm saying is I don't think they necessarily need to lock Nishioka down to trade Hardy.

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Maybe Adam Miller or Aneury Rodriguez would interst the Twins. Maybe Beato would be the selection if the Orioles drafted him with their pick. I got a feeling this gets down within hours following the draft, if not before.

I am sticking to my guns.

If the Orioles select ARod from the Rays and trade him, I will be highly upset.

I would rather have ARod then Hardy.

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And we know what's spinning at the club they are going to:

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And we know what's spinning at the club they are going to:

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They have Plouffe, who won't turn 25 until June next year and should be a league average or better shortstop for league minimum. It's not like the Twins to pay a guy 5-6 MM when they've got a cheap, young, in house option who should provide similar production.

Didn't know that. Makes the Rule 5 scenarios even more likely.

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But when they sign Nishioka, they lose leverage on Hardy. This really has no bearing on this trade. What does IMO, is the need to rid themselves of $$$ obligations to Hardy so that they can spend said $$$ on retaining Carl Pavano.

You are correct but it's not symmetrical; they lose far more leverage if they trade Hardy first.

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In 375 PA last year, Hardy was worth 2.4 WAR. His line was: .268/.320/.394/.714 with 6 HR (28 xBH) and 38 RBI. If you project his totals out to 650 PA, he'd have about 10 HR (48 xBH) and 66 RBI, (and approx. 4 WAR) to go along with excellent defense.

Unfortunately Hardy hasn't actually had 650 PA in a single season. He's had 465 and 375 the last 2 seasons, though he was pretty healthy in his two best years: '07 and '08.

Consider his injury last year was what one might consider "freak," his health is the only reason I might have preferred Bartlett or Ryan.

All that being said, I would be thrilled to get him.

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I feel unusually confident that the O's can get this done.

With Koji back in the fold, this should be MacPhail's #1 priority, might be able to get it done by tomorrow afternoon.

Ugh, I'm going to be on my phone checking twitter during all of my finals.

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