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He probably isnt. That is why you dont trade him for this guy. You can wait until the off season to trade him or you have next deadline or the picks. Trading him for a boarderline prospect, is not intelligent. Lets be clear on something, the Orioles DO NOT have to trade Guthrie. If they do, I want prime rib coming back, not a big bucket of stew.

An Alonso+Wood return is much better than one supplemental pick, which is not guaranteed anyway.

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I understand and can't argue with much of what you say, Greg, but you have been an advocate of trading pieces nearing free agency, and I don't know how much more you can reasonably expect in return for guys like Guthrie and Hardy. You're probably right that it's better to keep Hardy and take the draft picks, but I don't think that Guthrie is going to fetch more than an Alonso type headliner.

I personally hope we extend Hardy, but if he's dealt in a package with Guthrie, I'd be disappointed that we'd not be receiving a better prospect than Yonder Alonso. Therein lies my issue. Alonso's star has faded a bit, and I want a guy headlining a trade that represents more than what Alonso does. The deal isn't one-sided as currently constructed, but rather a bit short for what I'd want back.

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I personally hope we extend Hardy, but if he's dealt in a package with Guthrie, I'd be disappointed that we'd not be receiving a better prospect than Yonder Alonso. Therein lies my issue. Alonso's star has faded a bit, and I want a guy headlining a trade that represents more than what Alonso does. The deal isn't one-sided as currently constructed, but rather a bit short for what I'd want back.

Pretty much my opinion, though I'd be okay with that return. Hardy is a pretty comfortable type-A right now, so I think I'd prefer to offer arbitration, collect a couple of early picks, and see if I can swing Alonso and another of the mentioned guys for Guthrie alone. Hardy's type-A status also provides leverage in extension talks, as teams would be reluctant to give up a first/second round pick AND commit to a multi-year deal for a middle infielder with a lengthy injury history. Because of his type-A status, he comes cheaper to Baltimore than to any other club by default.

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He probably isnt. That is why you dont trade him for this guy. You can wait until the off season to trade him or you have next deadline or the picks. Trading him for a boarderline prospect, is not intelligent. Lets be clear on something, the Orioles DO NOT have to trade Guthrie. If they do, I want prime rib coming back, not a big bucket of stew.

You do realize the club that trades for Guthrie now gets 1.5 seasons of him vs. trading him in the offseason and only getting 1.

Guthrie is a free agent after 2012 and there's a good chance trading him now is selling him at his peak value compared to waiting.

He's not Erik Bedard so we shouldn't be expecting a Bedard type return.

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I understand and can't argue with much of what you say, Greg, but you have been an advocate of trading pieces nearing free agency, and I don't know how much more you can reasonably expect in return for guys like Guthrie and Hardy. You're probably right that it's better to keep Hardy and take the draft picks, but I don't think that Guthrie is going to fetch more than an Alonso type headliner.

What are the chances the Orioles do better than Alonso and Boxberger with the 2 picks they get for Guthrie or Hardy?

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I just remember many people questioning whether AGon would develop power...In parts of 3 seasons at AAA, in the PCL, AGon hit 31 homers in over 900 at bats..He did in the ages of 22-24, with most of the at bats coming at 23 and 24.(he hit 1 homer in 139 at bats in AAA at age 22)

I am not saying Alonso will develop into AGon but Gonzo had an OPS of 813 in the minors, again playing a lot in the PCL.

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I'm voting yes because SG says it's the right thing to do.

While I think it is the right thing to do, I do understand some of the hesitation and do not see as a slam dunk, no doubt about it deal, which is probably why it is a realistic trade proposal IMO.

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While I think it is the right thing to do, I do understand some of the hesitation and do not see as a slam dunk, no doubt about it deal, which is probably why it is a realistic trade proposal IMO.

We are also a bit spoiled by Andy MacPhail's fantastic trade record: JJ Hardy for nothing, Reynolds for Hernandez, Andino for Penn, Pie for Olson, Sherrill trade, Bedard, Tejada...

The proposed trade may be realistic, but I have faith in MacPhail to do better.

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We are also a bit spoiled by Andy MacPhail's fantastic trade record: JJ Hardy for nothing, Reynolds for Hernandez, Andino for Penn, Pie for Olson, Sherrill trade, Bedard, Tejada...

The proposed trade may be realistic, but I have faith in MacPhail to do better.

Just FYI MacPhail's deadline trades when he's been a seller have been duds throughout his career with the exception of the Viola deal.

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29 - 28. This could be another short book from the 2011 Orioles season:

United We Stand on Whether or not to Trade Jeremy Guthrie and J.J. Hardy to The Reds by Orioles Hangout Posters

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What are the chances the Orioles do better than Alonso and Boxberger with the 2 picks they get for Guthrie or Hardy?

Well, Alonso and Boxberger were drafted 7th and 43rd overall, and both are knocking on the doors of the big leagues, so you'd have to give them the nod.

Also, Guthrie is currently a type-B and closer to being unranked than he is to being a type-A, so we're really just talking one sandwich pick for him.

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