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Should we Blow It Up again?

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Don't blow it up.

IMO, the biggest need is starting pitching. Fill out the starting pitching with legitimate, dependable starters. This in turn pushes talent to the bullpen, keeps depth at AAA in case of injury, and takes pressure off the hitters.

Obtain two from the group of Eric Bedard, Scott Baker, Ricky Nolasco, Chad Billingsley, Travis Wood, Ervin Santana, and Gavin Floyd.

Use any combination of Guthrie, Koji, Jim Johnson, Hardy, and any prospect not name Machado/Schoop/Bridwell.

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Albert56 Rookie

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I'm sure Macphail will come up with some ridiculous reason not to make a trade to get rid of some of the crap he brought in here. Most of these guys are useless and no one else wants or needs guys beyond their prime. Its a shame that we keep trying to plug holes and dont have any prospects ready to take over in time. There hasnt been much of anything coming out of the minors in quite awhile. I think we should blow up the entire department of player development and general manager department and get someone who knows talent and how to develop it. I am getting pretty sick of losing year after year and would like to see someone who knows his ass from a hole in the ground make some trades that at least make sense.

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The Maestro Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Besides getting rid of some of the higher salaried vets, we should look to trade Jones, Koji, JJ, Hardy and Guthrie.

I've seen the name Jones brought up on more than one occasion. Are you saying trade him if we can't extend him? Or trade him while his value is starting to peak? And what kinda package would be acceptable to move a possible cornerstone of your franchise?

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I've seen the name Jones brought up on more than one occasion. Are you saying trade him if we can't extend him? Or trade him while his value is starting to peak? And what kinda package would be acceptable to move a possible cornerstone of your franchise?

This is what I said earlier:

I like Jones and feel he has been both underrated and overrated all at the same time. But I have a lot of doubt in my mind that we will be able to extend him to a deal that makes sense for the club. Couple that with him having a career year, his defense still not being as good as you want it to be and him being 2 years away from free agency and I think now is a very good time to deal him.

Now, understand that I am not trading Jones unless I get a bonafide, upper echelon young player in return...A player who is, at a minimum, 3 years away from free agency. If I don't get that, then I am not dealing him.

But I just think there are a lot of reasons why we should deal him.

Jones is a 2-3 win player...trading him doesn't signal some huge rebuild.

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Besides trading or letting Guthrie walk im not sure what there is to blow up anyway. Jones I suppose. You have to get a great return for any of them, not a firesale. JJ and Koji are looking like stud relievers. Those are always undervalued by other teams. Not so sure we should let them go unless the return is big.

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The Maestro Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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This is what I said earlier:

Gotcha. If they are getting the vibe he isn't interested in extending long term then it makes sense. But I'd be asking for a king's ransom because of the premium position and the fact he's still getting better. If his defense gets better, there's no reason to think he won't become someone along the lines of a Torii Hunter type player.

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Drop the bomb!

Hardy to TB for Sale and Mcgee (Add money if need be)

Guthrie to Cin for Alonso, Cozart and Boxberger

Jones to KC for 1 of Montgomery/Lamb/Duffy/Dwyer, Gordon and Aviles

Koji and JJ for 2 - 4 good young power arms

Lee, Vlad and Gregg for whatever you can get

The rest of 2011

2b Roberts/Cozart

RF Markakis

3B Gordon

C Wieters

1B Alonso

Lf Reimold

DH Reynolds

SS Aviles

CF Pie

Off season

Sign Fielder

Trade Reynolds for Arms

2012

2b Roberts/Cozart

RF Markakis

3B Gordon

1B Fielder

C Wieters

Lf Reimold

DH Alonso

SS Aviles

CF Pie

2013

You have 2 Bundy’s, Bridwell, Schrader, Machado, Schoop, Sale, and Townsend knocking on the door along with a ton of arms acquired in the 2011 trades and the offense is much younger and much more talented.

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Who on the current roster will be on the next team that has a prayer of contending? Britton? Wieters?

Maybe Matusz, Arrieta, Reimold and a few others. But yeah, there's not many guys, which is why I think it probably makes sense to deal who we can get good enough value for.

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If we truly "blow it up" Markakis needs to be dealt as well. No sense keeping him around and paying his contract if we are rebuilding for 2014 and beyond.

You don't just dump him...While I feel he has more value than some on here, the value likely isn't enough.

No need to trade him right now.

But yes, I would agree that a true blow up would be getting rid of Nick though...That's part of the reason why I have said that I am advocating a reload, not a rebuild.

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Should we blow it up again?

When has it ever been blown up?

You can blow it up but there is little point in doing so if you don't blow up everything else as well: scouting, drafting, front office, player development, trainers, ownership, etc. etc.

Otherwise, it is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Yeah, I'm feelin' really optimistic.

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These trade threads are silly. Look, if you can tilt the deal squarely in your favor, as in the Bedard or Hardy trades, you pull the trigger. If you can trade from strength into weakness, a-la the Reynolds trade, you do it.

What you DON'T do is blow it up like Syd Thrift and have a fire-sale just to appease fans who are upset at the current performance of the team.

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