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clapdiddy Hangout Grand Counsel

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A team that had a big need for a starter...But again, SO WHAT!?

Just because he had an issue with LaRussa, does that mean he would have here? Does that mean he will be a jerk here?

Maybe he just made some dumb mistakes, as we all do when we are young and just needed to get away from LaRussa?

Again, look at Escobar...He was supposed to be a jerk...The Braves didn't want him..the same organization that dealt Andrus because they had Escobar, that's how much they did like him and then turned on him. That's how much he was hated by that team....and now look at him. The Jays love him.

This cannot be emphasized enough. Sometimes, a change of scenery is what a guy like that needs.

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Try to look at it a different way: no one is arguing with you that "something might be up" which drove Rasmus' price down. Evidently, at least two, much better (one far superior) organizations felt like he was worth the risk. The O's suck...and they do nothing, even though having Rasmus to play CF or LF would basically, best-case, solve the Orioles' OF problems for years.

What about the way this team has handled itself for the last 14 years makes you think that taking the safe road in a situation like this is the right way to go?

Because so many other teams had the same opportunity and passed, or offered comparable or lesser deals.

Again, the general view is troubling. This specific case has other issues involved.

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A team that had a big need for a starter...But again, SO WHAT!?

Just because he had an issue with LaRussa, does that mean he would have here? Does that mean he will be a jerk here?

Maybe he just made some dumb mistakes, as we all do when we are young and just needed to get away from LaRussa?

Again, look at Escobar...He was supposed to be a jerk...The Braves didn't want him..the same organization that dealt Andrus because they had Escobar, that's how much they did like him and then turned on him. That's how much he was hated by that team....and now look at him. The Jays love him.

Look, I agree that Rasmus is a talented young player under control for years to come. What raises my eyebrows is that nobody was inclined to beat the deal that St. Louis eventually took. That doesn't make you wonder at all?!?!?!

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Look, I agree that Rasmus is a talented young player under control for years to come. What raises my eyebrows is that nobody was inclined to beat the deal that St. Louis eventually took. That doesn't make you wonder at all?!?!?!

Hush, you pathetic apologist, you.

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Neimann isn't all that great.

And Guthrie is that much more valuable? Per FG, they've both accumulated 5.2 WAR in the past three years. But that's besides the point. The Cards wanted Jackson, who has surprisingly amassed a 3.0 WAR this year. I wanted Rasmus as much as the next guy, but with this being a highly criticized move, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that the Cards were high on Jackson.

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Well, I don't, especially in a deal like this.

We heard terrible things about Yunel as well...How has that worked out?

He is young and maybe has done dumb things but LaRussa is also known to be a jerk, so you never know.

Either way, he is worth the gamble.

That was stuff put out by the team though, this is other players saying this about him. We are talking almost Elijah Dukes bad. From a talent standpoint I worry that his whole, "I know myself better than anyone, and I know if I'm doing something wrong" attitude is going to keep him from ever being what he could be. He's hit a respectable .275 with 20 HR or so, but that's not the superstar people are making him out to be, and I don't know that he ever makes that next step. The maturity just isn't there.

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Look, I agree that Rasmus is a talented young player under control for years to come. What raises my eyebrows is that nobody was inclined to beat the deal that St. Louis eventually took. That doesn't make you wonder at all?!?!?!
NO!!! I DON'T CARE.

BTW, the cards had one big need...A productive and solid ML starter. They got one. How many contenders are giving up productive, ML starters at the deadline?

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NO!!! I DON'T CARE.

BTW, the cards had one big need...A productive and solid ML starter. They got one. How many contenders are giving up productive, ML starters at the deadline?

So you're admitting that you're ignoring the reality of the situation just to piss and moan about it?

The FACT is that the deal that St. Louis ended up accepting doesn't match up with a kid of Rasmus' talent. Ask the "Longtime Scout" you referenced earlier.

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And pretty much every major-league team does. That's why the Jays got Rasmus for their offer, and that is why you fail.

Yeah, we Baltimore fans really have the market cornered on incisive, forward-thinking.

You're acting like every team in MLB was in a position to offer what the Cards wanted AND had a perceived need for a CFer.

The O's are a basement-dwelling franchise. Gloating about being "right" with regards to not acquiring talent is asinine.

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LOL I'm not trying to be an a-hole about it, I'm just looking at the situation with some objectivity.

There's very obviously something about Rasmus that teams weren't real excited about. If they were willing to dismiss his issues, the deal would certainly have looked different than it did. He's entirely too talented.

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