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People are looking hard at Davis video game numbers and not the scouting reports.. As far as Hunter...

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They didn't. "@mustard_seeds: Why would Rangers give up a decent SP?//o's confirms Uehara to Rangers for Davis, Hunter."

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Stotle Hangout Grand Counsel

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Bingo. The DBacks gave up a good SS prospect for the likes of Jason Marquis.

I'm wondering if this was a quantity vs. quality type of deal.

Seems to me Baltimore is looking to catch lightning in a bottle with Davis. I do wonder what shakes down with Bell/Reynolds/Davis as far as planning for 2012.

Hunter is a fine get. He is what he is. To be honest, I'd hope Baltimore has four better arms starting ahead of him in 2012, but he's not a bad guy to have on your 25-man.

Broken Record: I think either is a fine inclusion in the deal, I just wish there was something with a little higher upside here. Even if it's someone like Jordan Akins.

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I think this is a good solid haul for Koji!!. Chris Davis will get a chance to show what he can do. I think Tommy Hunter could be a 'Nugget" as well. The object of trading a player is to come away as a better team. I think the Orioles did that here. Koji was doing a great job. But we needed 2 players like Hunter and Davis.

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Seems to me Baltimore is looking to catch lightning in a bottle with Davis. I do wonder what shakes down with Bell/Reynolds/Davis as far as planning for 2012.

Hunter is a fine get. He is what he is. To be honest, I'd hope Baltimore has four better arms starting ahead of him in 2012, but he's not a bad guy to have on your 25-man.

Broken Record: I think either is a fine inclusion in the deal, I just wish there was something with a little higher upside here. Even if it's someone like Jordan Akins.

Theres a ton that can happen. You could have your 1b/3B/DH rotation right there if it all works out. Or you can have a great 4 way between the three spots if you add Reimold (granted it all pans out).

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Awful, awful trade for the Orioles. Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter? We have been crimed on.

I think this pretty much confirms that this organization just plans on treading water for the forseeable future...

What on earth did you think we could get for Uehara?

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Theres a ton that can happen. You could have your 1b/3B/DH rotation right there if it all works out. Or you can have a great 4 way between the three spots if you add Reimold (granted it all pans out).

I just see a no glove #6 hitter in Reynolds and two guys with big questions. I am still high on Reimold and think he could ultimately develop into that #4/#5 bat for Baltimore. Would be terrific if Davis made some adjustments and could step in as a #5 next year, though I'm dubious.

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I just see a no glove #6 hitter in Reynolds and two guys with big questions. I am still high on Reimold and think he could ultimately develop into that #4/#5 bat for Baltimore. Would be terrific if Davis made some adjustments and could step in as a #5 next year, though I'm dubious.

Oh no doubt, but thats the deal. At least now we have a few options rather than one guy that either has to hit or miss and if he misses we are screwed.

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Has big trouble with off-speed pitches and a long swing. Not too dissimilar from Shelley Duncan. ML pitchers are carving him up at this point. Hopefully he makes some adjustments, tightens things up some and gets his contact rate up to the point where his power can provide positive offensive value.

Honestly, I would have been happy with one of Hunter/Davis and a younger kid, but getting both seems "meh" for a very good relief arm. At the same time, if you get a solid #4 starter and a #6 hitter on the cheap, maybe that opens you up to make a bigger splash somewhere else.

With so much talent in that Rangers system, I'm surprised BAL didn't pry one higher upside kid from them.

Interesting comparison, but Duncan never put up anything close to Davis' numbers in the minors (at the same ages), particularly BA-wise (though really, Davis' numbers are well over Duncan's across the board).

I guess that's what prompted the question. I could see how a guy who hits .275ish with tons of K's and HRs might have trouble posting a decent BA in the big leagues, but Davis' career MiL BA is .317, and he's been .327 or better for the last four years (including this one). I mean...of course he's not seeing ML breaking stuff in AAA, but the disconnect between his MiL and ML numbers is just...so huge...

I don't get it. I appreciate the analysis, though. Maybe this is just one of those things I can't grasp without being in the business.

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Interesting comparison, but Duncan never put up anything close to Davis' numbers in the minors (at the same ages), particularly BA-wise (though really, Davis' numbers are well over Duncan's across the board).

I guess that's what prompted the question. I could see how a guy who hits .275ish with tons of K's and HRs might have trouble posting a decent BA in the big leagues, but Davis' career MiL BA is .317, and he's been .327 or better for the last four years (including this one). I mean...of course he's not seeing ML breaking stuff in AAA, but the disconnect between his MiL and ML numbers is just...so huge...

I don't get it. I appreciate the analysis, though. Maybe this is just one of those things I can't grasp without being in the business.

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This is not the direction I would have pursued in return for Koji. I think it's a fine fair value deal. A couple of potentially useful and cheap pieces. But, I guess, where is the long-term strategy?

Just curious because I haven't followed his progress: 5 of Hunter's 9 rehab appearances were starts. Is he capable of stepping into a rotation right now? Or is that something they'll have to build toward in the offseason.

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The Rangers snagged perhaps the most underrated arm on the market in Uehara, a command-and-control right-hander who exemplifies those attributes so well he gets strikeouts on top of them. His 62-to-8 K-to-BB ratio in 47 1/3 innings is the best in the major leagues, and to get him for this year and next it cost Texas a bust-with-upside in Davis (who’s slugging .824 at Triple-A) and Hunter (who found himself the rotation’s odd man out after going 13-4 and starting a World Series game last year)
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Lets just say I think the O's could have gotten much more...

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If anyone can take players who are tearing up the minor leagues and turn them into major league studs, it's the Os.

Neither of these guys are potential HoFers but they bring something to the table. It's a good haul for Koji.

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