Dan Klein for Teagarden?

[Sports Guy]

No, it's that pitchers who aren't suited to start in the low minors are less likely to be good enough to pitch at all in the majors. It's kind of like a player who's already shifted down from short to second to third by the time he hits Frederick, and has a narrower window for success at higher levels.

Perhaps..but Henry LOOKS like he is an exception.

[eb45]

Explained it earlier, but he missed a good portion of 2010 with issues surrounding his recovery from Tommy John surgery, and they felt it best to keep him a reliever for the time being.

[Malike]

Lol, people freaked out when he was picked in the 4th round, and now they are acting like we just traded Mariano Rivera away for Taylor Teagarden. There will be plenty of BP arms to draft of equal or greater value in June. I can't understand how some people are acting like he is a rare commodity, he's an A ball, oft injured pitcher. Citing his GB ratio at A ball is kinda goofy as well. Britton had 3:1 GB ratios through the minors, and became a flyball pitcher in the ML's. Henry has 75 innings in his career, I'm not sure I'd stamp in stone that he's going to be a GB machine based on what he's done in A ball. Like I said before, keep the outrage going if it makes you feel better, but this is as much a non issue as Kim Kardashian getting a divorce. Everyone freak out because we got a great defensive, cost controlled back up catcher who will earn the league minimum, and we lost Randy Henry.

[Moose Milligan]

Gotta love how SG won't quit arguing until he feels that he's won the fight no matter how many people disagree with him.

[Sports Guy]

Gotta love how SG won't quit arguing until he feels that he's won the fight no matter how many people disagree with him.

Well, if someone would present a real argument, maybe......

[eb45]

Lol, people freaked out when he was picked in the 4th round, and now they are acting like we just traded Mariano Rivera away for Taylor Teagarden. There will be plenty of BP arms to draft of equal or greater value in June. I can't understand how some people are acting like he is a rare commodity, he's an A ball, oft injured pitcher. Citing his GB ratio at A ball is kinda goofy as well. Britton had 3:1 GB ratios through the minors, and became a flyball pitcher in the ML's. Henry has 75 innings in his career, I'm not sure I'd stamp in stone that he's going to be a GB machine based on what he's done in A ball. Like I said before, keep the outrage going if it makes you feel better, but this is as much a non issue as Kim Kardashian getting a divorce. Everyone freak out because we got a great defensive, cost controlled back up catcher who will earn the league minimum, and we lost Randy Henry.

Britton became a FB pitcher in the majors because he used his two-seam a lot less and his four-seam a lot more. It had little to do with the hitters hitting him differently, and pretty much everything to do with him changing his pitching style.

And nobody's acting like Randy Henry is Mariano Rivera, we're talking about a guy with very good stuff and command who is very young for his level. That's not necessarily a rare commodity, but it's not a worthless one, and giving up anything of worth for a backup catcher is not really the direction the Orioles should be going.

[Stotle]

Lol, people freaked out when he was picked in the 4th round, and now they are acting like we just traded Mariano Rivera away for Taylor Teagarden. There will be plenty of BP arms to draft of equal or greater value in June. I can't understand how some people are acting like he is a rare commodity, he's an A ball, oft injured pitcher. Citing his GB ratio at A ball is kinda goofy as well. Britton had 3:1 GB ratios through the minors, and became a flyball pitcher in the ML's. Henry has 75 innings in his career, I'm not sure I'd stamp in stone that he's going to be a GB machine based on what he's done in A ball. Like I said before, keep the outrage going if it makes you feel better, but this is as much a non issue as Kim Kardashian getting a divorce. Everyone freak out because we got a great defensive, cost controlled back up catcher who will earn the league minimum, and we lost Randy Henry.

Agreed. It just isn't a move worthy of much discussion. From a value standpoint, maybe Texas gets a slight edge due to the distribution of risk across multiple players and the extra service time. But I think people need to wrap their heads around how mediocre the system is and understand that Randy Henry just isn't a huge loss.

It's Texas moving a piece they have absolutely no use for and getting what little they can.

[Stotle]

Britton became a FB pitcher in the majors because he used his two-seam a lot less and his four-seam a lot more. It had little to do with the hitters hitting him differently, and pretty much everything to do with him changing his pitching style.

And nobody's acting like Randy Henry is Mariano Rivera, we're talking about a guy with very good stuff and command who is very young for his level. That's not necessarily a rare commodity, but it's not a worthless one, and giving up anything of worth for a backup catcher is not really the direction the Orioles should be going.

I don't think his command is as great as is being portrayed. He throws strikes, but still lives too much in the middle of the plate and doesn't necessarily snipe his spots.

Also, Britton's FB issues were as much related to MLB hitters simply not chasing balls down and out of the zone and taking advantage of him missing up and over the plate as they were about any sort of change in pitch selection.

[GoldGlove21]

Well, if someone would present a real argument, maybe......

I agree that it is what is. We traded a bullpen arm with upside plus a PTBNL for a guy who has been injured more than Henry over the last 2-3 years. I like that TT is a good defensive catcher and I would bet that Buck put an emphasis on defense as TT would be handling some of our young pitchers. That being said, Keith Law (Who I do not like) said that he was shocked to see us give up anything at all for a guy like TT. To find out it is Henry+ just makes me laugh. Now if they were to come out and say that this deal saved the team the need to overpay for a backup catcher and that saving will allow the team to sign a couple quality international prospects than fine, great deal for the Orioles. The issue here isn't that we traded Henry, it is that we traded him for a run of the mill 28-year oft injured backup catcher. I am not losing sleep over it, but I just do not understand the move outside of a potential financial savings.

[Moose Milligan]

Well, if someone would present a real argument, maybe......

Haha, also love how you belittle everyone elses points by not saying they're "real arguments." Classic SG moves in this thread.

[GoldGlove21]

Britton became a FB pitcher in the majors because he used his two-seam a lot less and his four-seam a lot more. It had little to do with the hitters hitting him differently, and pretty much everything to do with him changing his pitching style.

And nobody's acting like Randy Henry is Mariano Rivera, we're talking about a guy with very good stuff and command who is very young for his level. That's not necessarily a rare commodity, but it's not a worthless one, and giving up anything of worth for a backup catcher is not really the direction the Orioles should be going.

Britton will be fine, he looks every bit the part of a quality #3 starter with upside moving forward and I am good with those. We need more guys like him on the ML team.

[Sports Guy]

Haha, also love how you belittle everyone elses points by not saying they're "real arguments." Classic SG moves in this thread.

Its easy to belittle points when they are poor and poorly presented.

[TakebackOPACY]

Its easy to belittle points when they are poor and poorly presented.

And it's best just to ignore points when they are strong and well presented.

[MurphDogg]

Its easy to belittle points when they are poor and poorly presented.

Thanks for making this such a great place for differing opinions. Teams trade minor leaguers for big league players with limited upsides. It has always happened, you don't agree with it and you are the smartest guy on the Internet, it is a cross you are forced to bare and I don't envy you.

The trade doesn't bother me because I think the chances of Henry becoming an all-star reliever are no better than Teagarden's chances of becoming an all-star catcher, and I appreciate that the O's will have an above average backup catcher for the ML minimum. Also there is a "one in the hand is worth two in the bush" argument that seems appropriate here.

[DrungoHazewood]

Its easy to belittle points when they are poor and poorly presented.

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