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]Has there actually been a source that has indicated that Angelos nixed the Balfour deal[/b]? Or is all of this conjecture?

No. That would actually take some real journalism. Gammons would rather post the comments of past employees to back the conjecture that PA pulled the old "bait and switch" on poor Grant Balfour.

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Red Sox hack or no, Gammons is spot on. The O's have a history of being hard to deal with because of the owners intrusions. This is just more of the same. The people in the business know what's going on here. The saddest thing to me is that it assures that DD, yet another smart baseball guy, is a lame duck GM.

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No. That would actually take some real journalism. Gammons would rather post the comments of past employees to back the conjecture that PA pulled the old "bait and switch" on poor Grant Balfour.
Gammons talks to plenty of baseball people behind the scenes. Nobody is going to be quoted directly on this. That doesn't mean they aren't talking to Gammons off the record.
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Gammons talks to plenty of baseball people behind the scenes. Nobody is going to be quoted directly on this. That doesn't mean they aren't talking to Gammons off the record.

Does'nt mean that they are either. Until he or another writer cites a named or unnamed source that PA personally shot down the Balfour deal, I'll view this as conjecture.

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I can't wait for the kook aid drinkers to spin this

If Angelos called a press conference and stated that he nixed the deal because he's sick of spending money, they would hail his decision and say Balfour was a complete waste of money anyway, and the team will be better making a pitcher on the roster the closer. Nothing is going to convince them........I'm fairly sure that many are either family, friends (he must have some), or employees of PA.

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Peter Angelos could throw a puppy from his owners box at the yard and there would still be a few that rush to defend him.

That is absolutely correct.

As is the fact that somebody could fart within a 50-mile radius of the city of Baltimore, and somebody would say, "Aha !!! Angelos is at it again."

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Gammons talks to plenty of baseball people behind the scenes. Nobody is going to be quoted directly on this. That doesn't mean they aren't talking to Gammons off the record.

Off the record means he has no source to quote and back up his story. That leads to liability issues for Gammons.

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Peter Angelos could throw a puppy from his owners box at the yard and there would still be a few that rush to defend him.

He was trying to find a good home for the puppy. Only a person worthy enough would have caught it. If the puupy was not caught, the puppy would not have deserved to live anyway.

There you go. I hope You're happy.

Signed,

Russ Angelos :rolleyes:

(AKA russ snyder)

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He was trying to find a good home for the puppy. Only a person worthy enough would have caught it. If the puupy was not caught, the puppy would not have deserved to live anyway.

There you go. I hope You're happy.

Signed,

Russ Angelos :rolleyes:

(AKA russ snyder)

Okay, so you don't blame PA for the pathetic off-season where we added no DH or SP and added a solid 4th OF to play everyday in LF. Do you blame DD? Or has this off-season been good for you?

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Man. If Peter Gammons is considered a hack around here then there must not be a single baseball writer that you guys respect.

So what if he has no direct proof Angelos pulled the bait and switch; this is an editorial piece. He is informing the rest of the country about what the vast majority of us Oriole fans already know, and using circumstantial evidence from credible sources in the past to back his opinion.

I'll defer to Occam's razor here. Which hypothesis contains fewer assumptions? The one where Angelos continued a trend of negotiating tactics with an agent/player as well as his own FO... or the one where every major figure referenced by the article (including the writer) is trying to slander/libel Peter Angelos?

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Gammons is a Hall of Fame writer, isn't he? Why would he make this up?

He isn't making anything up, but he isn't reporting anything here, either. He's just giving commentary on facts reported by others.

Gammons never comes out and says anywhere in this article that Peter Angelos got personally involved in the Balfour decision. He creates that inference by referencing (without quoting) some things that apparently were said by Jim Duquette and Frank Wren about past incidents. I'm still waiting to hear what deals were done by Frank Wren where Angelos "pulled out the medical card." As to Duquette, he cited three past matters in which he had no involvement, and two where I'm not aware of any deals that were reversed for medical reasons.

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Okay, so you don't blame PA for the pathetic off-season where we added no DH or SP and added a solid 4th OF to play everyday in LF. Do you blame DD? Or has this off-season been good for you?

I don't view the offseason as pathetic. Last time I checked, it's still going on. There is still time to add a staring pitcher to replace Feldman whom Houston overpaid for. I'm personally ok with Lough replacing McLouth on the Orioles roster. I would like them to add a starting pitcher and a nother impact bat at DH.

To answer your questions, I don't blame PA for the off season. While I'm sure he has input, I believe that the team is run primarily by Duquette. As such, I prefer to give him the full off seaosn before I'll judge him or to say whether or not it's been a good off season for me.

Thanks for asking.

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"Frank Wren recalled his days as Oriole GM and contended that when a deal was consummated and Angelos decided he didn?t like it, his way of reversing agreements was to pull out the medical card"

There you go. Now who is to argue with this?

Not arguing, but Wren left on less than good terms with the Orioles. I'm sure if you asked mine or Bob's ex wives about us, they wouldn't have much good to say! Just keep that in mind while you're shoveling dirt on Angelos and believing every word that his ex employees say.

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