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You think he'll put up 3 WAR next year but not 6-8 WAR over three years?

I would rather mitigate the risk and keep him motivated with a one year extension. He's almost 31 and yeah, I think there is quite a bit of potential downside on an multi-year extension with his skills. If it was around 3/30 then yeah, I'd probably be in, but it won't be.

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You think he'll put up 3 WAR next year but not 6-8 WAR over three years?

3/30 would be abetter deal than the option IMO. But I think it will take more than 3/30 to keep him. We can probably keep it to a 3 year term, but it'd be closer to 3/45. I'm predicting 3/42.5, which with the buyout of the option and a 12.5/15/15 progression keeps him locked in at the same salary for 3 more years.

I think we may have to overpay a bit for Nick, but there aren't many better (realistic) options in free agency and we're quite thin in the OF in the upper minors. Hopefully we get some kind of hometown discount, but if he wants market price we'd probably be best served picking up the option than giving him closer to a Swisher/Granderson 4 yr 50/60 deal.

I also love Nick, he's a joy to watch, the only truly disciplined hitter on our team. He's also a lefthanded hitter who can hit lefties and a bonafide leadoff hitter and right fielder, which are all things that we don't have much of otherwise. He's a lifetime Orioles and fits our team like a glove. So, uh...pay the man!

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I think they both would re-sign. I think Nick will be here. I'm not sure DD wants JJ.

You must have missed Thorne's commentary last week when he talked about Nick and reported about asking him what he would do if he was a free agent...... and Nick stoically answered "play for the team that gives me the most money".

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I doubt he'd go for that. Probably be closer to 3/40 (if not worse), and I think wed be better with taking the option. Lets not make another Roberts mistake.

If we could get him for $10M/3yr I don't think that's a mistake even if his production slides some over the course of the contract. I think that is a contract that would provide the O's with surplus value. I love him as a lead-off hitter, like his patient approach and strike zone awareness (2 things I don't think he'll lose over time) and his ability to go to all fields. I think his hitting approach will age well. I also don't give much credit to defensive metrics, I think you could put Trout in CF or RF in Camden Yards for a season and his defensive value would plummet, I just think the dimensions are just not conducive to however/whatever stats they use to judge OF defense. Every time I see another RF play off the out of town scoreboard in OPACY I realize how precise Markakis is at playing a hit off of it.

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I would rather mitigate the risk and keep him motivated with a one year extension. He's almost 31 and yeah, I think there is quite a bit of potential downside on an multi-year extension with his skills. If it was around 3/30 then yeah, I'd probably be in, but it won't be.

I would rather just let him walk if he won't take a reasonable extension. He won't be worth his option next year, so spreading it out over multiple seasons is appealing.

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I think they both would re-sign. I think Nick will be here. I'm not sure DD wants JJ.

You don't build a team that stays in the playoff race year after year by letting great players walk. You either re-sign them, or you trade them. But of course you can't trade them when they're just about to become a FA anyway, usually, unless some contender is absolutely desperate at the trade deadline and has no other alternatives.

Angelos is going to have to put up the money to finance a team that is legitimately good. If you try to luck into elite players for dirt cheap, you're only going to build a club that can get it done once or twice per generation. You lose a lot more fans (and attendance, and sales) in the long run by having years of suck. It's much better for business if you are in contention every year, even if you only make it to the playoffs occasionally. Nobody likes to watch a buncha losers.

I hope Peter sees that even from a purely financial perspective, paying the big bucks for these guys is going to do more for his team, his city, and his pocketbook than being Ebeneezer Scrooge. Nobody ever liked a miser.

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I would rather just let him walk if he won't take a reasonable extension. He won't be worth his option next year, so spreading it out over multiple seasons is appealing.

Not much out there in Free agency next year and Cruz will almost certainly be leaving. Maybe he wont be worth 15.5 mil next year, but sometimes you have to look at things as they are.

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I think they both would re-sign. I think Nick will be here. I'm not sure DD wants JJ.

I'm sad if Duquette doesn't. I think moving Machado to SS is nothing short of a bad move so, it's either JJ or somebody like Asdrubal Cabrera (maybe) or Hanley Ramirez (lol). Or we're looking at Flaherty as our 2015 shortstop. :eektf:

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Not much out there in Free agency next year and Cruz will almost certainly be leaving. Maybe he wont be worth 15.5 mil next year, but sometimes you have to look at things as they are.

It's only one position on the field. I am comfortable that they could employ $15M and get more than 2 WAR out of it.

That being said, they could also pick up the option and trade him. If the market is as scarce as you suggest, then he'll likely have value there. So the O's could get assets + $15M to work with. They are in a good position.

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You must have missed Thorne's commentary last week when he talked about Nick and reported about asking him what he would do if he was a free agent...... and Nick stoically answered "play for the team that gives me the most money".

That directly contradicts what he said earlier this year. He mentioned that he already made plenty of money and it wasn't all about that. His agent probably had a talk with him.

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1. I want the Orioles to resign Markakis for 3-4 more years so he can possibly play his entire career with one team.

2. I don't want the Orioles to pay him $17 mil for next year or any remaining year in his career.

I'm fine with the team giving him a $2 mil tip to begin negotiations on a new contract. It'd be unfortunate if some other team overpays him. I think re-signing Hardy is much more important than retaining Markakis.

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