The rise and fall of Rafael Palmeiro

[Can_of_corn]

I think that as well to an extent. I think guys like Pete Rose should be in as well with that logic. The Steroid Era ruined baseball for a lot of people, and so did Pete by betting on baseball and the team he managed.

Rose situation is different. The Hall acted on its own to exclude him.

[MDtransplant757]

Rose situation is different. The Hall acted on its own to exclude him.

I thought it was because MLB banned him. That and the people who vote for the hall are a real fickle bunch.

[24fps]

Huh? Under these facts Raffy presented, Miggy gave him tainted B-12 and Raffy had done nothing wrong, so that would make perfect sense.

Why the hell would Raffy inject "B-12" sourced from a teammate (and have his wife do the injecting) when there were plenty of accredited medical professionals at his disposal to not only provide pure B-12 but also have the training to administer it? Openly. Scapegoating Miggy sidesteps this little awkwardness.

[MurphDogg]

Why the hell would Raffy inject "B-12" sourced from a teammate (and have his wife do the injecting) when there were plenty of accredited medical professionals at his disposal to not only provide pure B-12 but also have the training to administer it? Openly. Scapegoating Miggy sidesteps this little awkwardness.

I didn't say it was a good story, but it is a consistent story, and asking people to feel sorry for him when Selig threw him under the bus also follows consistently.

[Can_of_corn]

I thought it was because MLB banned him. That and the people who vote for the hall are a real fickle bunch.

The Hall changed the rules to exclude everyone on the MLB permanently banned list.

I think Rose was the only person on the list.

The voters never got a chance to vote on him.

[MDtransplant757]

The Hall changed the rules to exclude everyone on the MLB permanently banned list.

I think Rose was the only person on the list.

The voters never got a chance to vote on him.

Shoeless Joe and a few others are on there.

[Can_of_corn]

Shoeless Joe and a few others are on there.

Right, but they are dead and there was never any chance of the Vet's committee putting them in.

For the record I did mean to add living.

[MDtransplant757]

Right, but they are dead and there was never any chance of the Vet's committee putting them in.

For the record I did mean to add living.

He's the only living player on the list. You're fine. It will be interesting to see whether or not they put him after he's dead or if they put the Steroid players in the HOF too.

[Ohfan67]

Huh? Under these facts Raffy presented, Miggy gave him tainted B-12 and Raffy had done nothing wrong, so that would make perfect sense.

Facts? How about Canseco's "facts" about injecting Palmeiro when he was with the Rangers the first time?

This topic is funny. We seem to have the exact same debate every year or two.

[Ohfan67]

Pete Roses hit record is celebrated in the hall. His accomplishment is recognized.

The whole hall of fame thing is kind of weird. It gets taken too seriously by everyone IMO. it's the hall of FAME as voted on by a group of sports writers.

[MurphDogg]

Facts? How about Canseco's "facts" about injecting Palmeiro when he was with the Rangers the first time?

This topic is funny. We seem to have the exact same debate every year or two.

24fps implied that Raffy is being hypocritical in throwing Tejada under the bus and then getting upset when Selig threw him under the bus. I believe I cogently explained how it isn't hypocritical. I don't believe Raffy either.

[MDtransplant757]

So that's why Raffy has never come back to Baltimore. I think we'd be more accepting now, but it would take a lot for him to come back.

[DrungoHazewood]

Pete Roses hit record is celebrated in the hall. His accomplishment is recognized.

The whole hall of fame thing is kind of weird. It gets taken too seriously by everyone IMO. it's the hall of FAME as voted on by a group of sports writers.

It's fun to argue about. It's also hard to take seriously when it's pretty clearly about the best players but guys who were excellent for 15 years are out while guys are in because they were okay for five and were Frankie Frisch's buddy. The debates wouldn't be so heated if it weren't for 22 WAR players in, and 70 WAR players (with no steroid rumors) out.

[DrungoHazewood]

Shoeless Joe and a few others are on there.

The 1877 Louisville guys. Dick Higham, the ump. Hal Chase. Heinie Zimmerman. Bennie Kauff, the "Ty Cobb of the Federal League" for selling stolen cars. Lee Magee. Jimmy O'Connell and Cozy Dolan. That's most of the big names.

[DrungoHazewood]

The Hall changed the rules to exclude everyone on the MLB permanently banned list.

I think Rose was the only person on the list.

The voters never got a chance to vote on him.

Would you trust the BBWAA to vote on Rose? These are the same people who think Jim Rice >>>> Alan Trammell, I'm not giving them a thumbs up/down on moral rights and wrongs.