Erasmo Ramirez

[sportsfan8703]

The Rays don't like to trade within the division so there'll be a division tax. I think Mancini should do it.

I would try everything not to trade Sisco and Mancini. Just because their going to be cheap replacements for Trumbo/MW/P.Alvarez.

Ramirez has value, but I think he's pretty close to Worley. Probably a little better. I like Worley. I just wouldn't expect some big return for him.

Worley-28 yrs old, 2.5 years of control left

567 IP

3.71 ERA

126 G 85 GS

1.388 WHIP

6.8 SO/9 2.8 BB/9

Ramirez- 26 yrs old, 3.5 years of control left

430 IP

121 G 63 GS

4.19 ERA

1.265 WHIP

7.1 SO/9 2.7 BB/9

Worley got put on waivers by the Pirates last year. We claimed him around the world series. He was probably a non tender candidate for them. Ramirez at 4 million and a ton of arms behind him really puts the Rays in a bind.

[El Gordo]

Nah. Walker and Wright maybe.

TB doesn't need pitching they have a surplus they want to unload. They need bats. Walker wouldn't get it done.

[El Gordo]

I would try everything not to trade Sisco and Mancini. Just because their going to be cheap replacements for Trumbo/MW/P.Alvarez.

Ramirez has value, but I think he's pretty close to Worley. Probably a little better. I like Worley. I just wouldn't expect some big return for him.

Worley-28 yrs old, 2.5 years of control left

567 IP

3.71 ERA

126 G 85 GS

1.388 WHIP

6.8 SO/9 2.8 BB/9

Ramirez- 26 yrs old, 3.5 years of control left

430 IP

121 G 63 GS

4.19 ERA

1.265 WHIP

7.1 SO/9 2.7 BB/9

There are a number of good DH FA replacements next fall. Wouldn't be too expensive to fill that slot. I wouldn't trade Cisco for Erasmo. We do need him for the future more than Mancini.

[wildcard]

Absolutely not! This type of trade is a "make a trade just to make one." No way you give up a good arm like Wright for this guy. That is the type of strategy that has caused up to move good arms in the past. DD either gets a salary dump or just needs to stand pat. He's the genius that ignored starting pitching in the offseason.

Erasmo is a 5th starter/swingman. Wright is in that category from what he has shown so far. Control is a problem in spite of his stuff. 3.3 years of Erasmo for 5.3 years of Wright. Considering the O's needs I would do it.

[wildcard]

Then you wont get him. You have to pay to play. We don't need Mancini as much as we need SP depth if we want to go for it.

Well that is an opinion. I wouldn't trade a full time starting player for a 5th starter/swingman. But that is just me.

[wildcard]

I would try everything not to trade Sisco and Mancini. Just because their going to be cheap replacements for Trumbo/MW/P.Alvarez.

Ramirez has value, but I think he's pretty close to Worley. Probably a little better. I like Worley. I just wouldn't expect some big return for him.

Worley-28 yrs old, 2.5 years of control left

567 IP

3.71 ERA

126 G 85 GS

1.388 WHIP

6.8 SO/9 2.8 BB/9

Ramirez- 26 yrs old, 3.5 years of control left

430 IP

121 G 63 GS

4.19 ERA

1.265 WHIP

7.1 SO/9 2.7 BB/9

Worley got put on waivers by the Pirates last year. We claimed him around the world series. He was probably a non tender candidate for them. Ramirez at 4 million and a ton of arms behind him really puts the Rays in a bind.

Good analysis. I agree.

[sportsfan8703]

There are a number of good DH FA replacements next fall. Wouldn't be too expensive to fill that slot. I wouldn't trade Cisco for Erasmo. We do need him for the future more than Mancini.

The money we save on Mancini at DH next year can go directly to keeping Trumbo or MW.

Ramirez controlled years don't have that much value because he's already gotten paid like a starter in arbitration. His future arb numbers will probably be 4,6,8 for a guy that is Vance Worley. At best he's Bartolo Colon. Colon now. Not the Colon prime years.

[atomic]

I wouldn't trade Mancini for Erasmo.

I would in a second. Quality starter for borderline first base prospect ( a position that is filled for years to come). I don't think the Rays would do that deal.

[wildcard]

The money we save on Mancini at DH next year can go directly to keeping Trumbo or MW.

Ramirez controlled years don't have that much value because he's already gotten paid like a starter in arbitration. His future arb numbers will probably be 4,6,8 for a guy that is Vance Worley. At best he's Bartolo Colon. Colon now. Not the Colon prime years.

I'd rather put the money toward signing Manny and Tillman.

The O's are going to have some high price guys and need a flow of 0-3 year players to off set the cost.

[wildcard]

I would in a second. Quality starter for borderline first base prospect ( a position that is filled for years to come). I don't think the Rays would do that deal.

I didn't say I wouldn't trade Mancini. I just would not do it for a borderline starter which is what Erasmo is.

Mancini may help the O's win the division come September. He can platoon with Pedro.

[El Gordo]

Well that is an opinion. I wouldn't trade a full time starting player for a 5th starter/swingman. But that is just me.

I would if he helps us get to the WS. Mancini is at best a DH next year. We could sign Beltran, Lind, Moss, Santana, or even Teix. Erasmo would be a solid #5 next season behind Tillman, Gausman, Bundy, and Gallardo. We need that more than a DH who might hit at the ML level.

[UMDTerrapins]

Has anyone talked about bringing Gonzalez back?

[El Gordo]

The money we save on Mancini at DH next year can go directly to keeping Trumbo or MW.

Ramirez controlled years don't have that much value because he's already gotten paid like a starter in arbitration. His future arb numbers will probably be 4,6,8 for a guy that is Vance Worley. At best he's Bartolo Colon. Colon now. Not the Colon prime years.

Colon now would be our #2 SP. 3.35 ERA 121 ERA+ 1.202 WHIP. Not too shabby.

[El Gordo]

I'd rather put the money toward signing Manny and Tillman.

The O's are going to have some high price guys and need a flow of 0-3 year players to off set the cost.

Pipe dream.

[wildcard]

I would if he helps us get to the WS. Mancini is at best a DH next year. We could sign Beltran, Lind, Moss, Santana, or even Teix. Erasmo would be a solid #5 next season behind Tillman, Gausman, Bundy, and Gallardo. We need that more than a DH who might hit at the ML level.

All the guys you mentioned are going to get between 5-8m per year next year. Mancini will make 507.5K depending on what he new CBA says. He money is important to the O's. Heck, DD trades away draft choices for less.

Erasmo is no sure thing, I agree with the comparison to Worley. Probably will help but may not even be in the rotation next year.