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weams Hangout Grand Counsel

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I pretty much agree, but it is the Wall Street Journal. Not exactly a place where readers expect full on sabermetrics. The record pace for stolen bases is interesting and the lack of triples is fun too. It's not an analysis piece, just fluff.

Why does Wall Street Journal need fluff again?

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I pretty much agree, but it is the Wall Street Journal. Not exactly a place where readers expect full on sabermetrics. The record pace for stolen bases is interesting and the lack of triples is fun too. It's not an analysis piece, just fluff.

I'm the opposite. I expect more out of the WSJ than I do USA Today.

The Economist does baseball fairly well.

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I think it is a pretty good article. The O's are slow. Even Adam Jones seems slow this year. 3 Triples? I don't care what stadium is your home stadium 3 at this point in the season is impressive. In 2008 Adam Jones had 7 triples and Brian Roberts 8 and the team finished with 30 total. Its not the stadium folks.

Speed and winning games doesn't seem related these days.

Yes folks, the stadium's size and dimensions does indeed have a lot to do with the number of triples. Outfield defense is also a factor, and this year the Orioles' defense certainly contributes to the opposition hitting a few more triples that the park would normally yield, IMO. In fact, that defense my be a better indicator of the Orioles' below average team speed than the triples statistic. But then... Team speed, fer crysakes.

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Someone that wanted to do a competent job writing for what used to be a prestigious paper would probably go through the statcast data and actually check out the times it took for the players to go set distances.

Since all that stuff is being collected these days.

Or they can go with triples and stolen bases.

There is also the eye test...

Wieters--terribly slow, even for his position

Davis--average (but above average for his position)

Schoop--average (but slow for his position)

Hardy--slow

Machado--average

Kim--average. maybe a little below.

Jones--maybe slightly above average (but slow for his position)

Trumbo--slow

Alvarez--slow

Rickard--above average

Reimold--average

Joseph--slow

So you do not have a single fast player. One bench player who has above average speed. Historically low in triples and SBs. It may not be the best written article, but it's got some useful information and the conclusion is undeniable regardless of how you get there.

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And Exactly how many triples has Trump allowed that were close to the wall at OPACY?

Was that a parable or a very subtle joke?

You saw the emoticon, it was a joke.

But it is a valid point that, this year at least, OPACY is more middle of the road in regards to triples. So other factors are in play for the O's lack of triples.

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Yes folks, the stadium's size and dimensions does indeed have a lot to do with the number of triples. Outfield defense is also a factor, and this year the Orioles' defense certainly contributes to the opposition hitting a few more triples that the park would normally yield, IMO. In fact, that defense my be a better indicator of the Orioles' below average team speed than the triples statistic. But then... Team speed, fer crysakes.

I am glad only Manny is getting picked off and making base running mistakes.

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There is also the eye test...

Wieters--terribly slow, even for his position

Davis--average (but above average for his position)

Schoop--average (but slow for his position)

Hardy--slow

Machado--average

Kim--average. maybe a little below.

Jones--maybe slightly above average (but slow for his position)

Trumbo--slow

Alvarez--slow

Rickard--above average

Reimold--average

Joseph--slow

So you do not have a single fast player. One bench player who has above average speed. Historically low in triples and SBs. It may not be the best written article, but it's got some useful information and the conclusion is undeniable regardless of how you get there.

I never said they weren't slow, in fact I said they are slow.

My issue is the methodology used.

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We need to tell some of our guys to run out of the basepath after rounding third on a home run so they can just be credited with a triple.

We have the fewest caught stealing of any team in baseball, by a significant margin, by the way.

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There is also the eye test...

Wieters--terribly slow, even for his position

Davis--average (but above average for his position)

Schoop--average (but slow for his position)

Hardy--slow

Machado--average

Kim--average. maybe a little below.

Jones--maybe slightly above average (but slow for his position)

Trumbo--slow

Alvarez--slow

Rickard--above average

Reimold--average

Joseph--slow

So you do not have a single fast player. One bench player who has above average speed. Historically low in triples and SBs. It may not be the best written article, but it's got some useful information and the conclusion is undeniable regardless of how you get there.

You forgot Flaherty. .

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I never said they weren't slow, in fact I said they are slow.

My issue is the methodology used.

Mythology? They probably don't have the 100 yard dash times for every baseball player in the past 50 years. It is an interesting article not a piece of science research.

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