Boras, Orioles set to discuss Wieters extension

[Can_of_corn]

There's only so many catchers out there, too. I think that plays into it. And pitch framing is still very new. But give Big Data Baseball a read. Pretty fascinating.

Re: Caleb. I don't think Britton is the issue. If it's working with Wieters...why change it? I do see where you're getting at due to Britton's movement. But he's been very effective regardless. To that end, I'd like to see framing data per pitcher being caught.

I mainly worry about guys like Gallardo, Bundy and Ubaldo. Guys that live on the black or the bottom of the zone.

FWIW, my issues with Wieters isn't just framing. Blocking pitches is a concern as is sequencing.

Overall, I just don't think Wieters is all that great. He's not bad. But I never bought much into Wieters aside from when he was such a plus defensive catcher and offensive catcher.

I've been watching the framing stuff since day one. I'm the one that posted a link to Mike Fast's original work here. I think study into the phenomenon took a big hit when the Astros picked him up.

As for it being new, I don't think the outside community have discovered anything before the teams since Voros McCracken.

As for Caleb, it wasn't so much about Caleb and Britton as it was my earlier question about bringing in a superior framer as a defensive replacement in save situations. Unless the framer is deficient in other ways, it would seem a no brainer.

[atomic]

I've been watching the framing stuff since day one. I'm the one that posted a link to Mike Fast's original work here. I think study into the phenomenon took a big hit when the Astros picked him up.

As for it being new, I don't think the outside community have discovered anything before the teams since Voros McCracken.

As for Caleb, it wasn't so much about Caleb and Britton as it was my earlier question about bringing in a superior framer as a defensive replacement in save situations. Unless the framer is deficient in other ways, it would seem a no brainer.

I don't think any catcher has had more success in save siyuations than Wieters.

[thezeroes]

Does an Umpire lose a little of the "Zone" when a catching change is made in the eighth or ninth inning??

He has had seven to eight innings (100 to 115 Pitches) of watching one style of receiving a ball from pitchers. By changing the catcher would he not have to adjust to another style??

[Can_of_corn]

Does an Umpire lose a little of the "Zone" when a catching change is made in the eighth or ninth inning??

He has had seven to eight innings (100 to 115 Pitches) of watching one style of receiving a ball from pitchers. By changing the catcher would he not have to adjust to another style??

I don't think there is anywhere near enough data available to tell one way or another.

[thezeroes]

I don't think there is anywhere near enough data available to tell one way or another.

Data for how umpires "Trend" (pitcher/hitter friendly) is available and should not be overlooked.

http://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/umpire-handicapping-statistics

[Can_of_corn]

Data for how umpires "Trend" (pitcher/hitter friendly) is available and should not be overlooked.

http://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/umpire-handicapping-statistics

I know it is. But how often do catchers get pulled that late in the game? I just don't think the sample size is large enough to be meaningful.

[thezeroes]

I know it is. But how often do catchers get pulled that late in the game? I just don't think the sample size is large enough to be meaningful.

So it would have to get put into the "Variable" category. The defensive replacement for a catcher would come about for several reasons. Catcher A was pinch hit for, Catcher A was pinch run for, Catcher A was injured, Team had a lead and wanted a better defensive catcher behind the plate to preserve a win. I can not think of any other reason to change a catcher unless it is a blow out and you wanted to rest Number 1 catcher for the final 3 innings.

[LookitsPuck]

Tonight another example of poor framing. Should be a 3rd strike to Shaffer. Next pitch double and lead gone. Also "wild pitch" that is typical Wieters poor blocking skills.

[jabba72]

Im guessing Buck will get what he wants here if he's behind this. I dont mind Wieters if he stays healthy.

[weams]

Im guessing Buck will get what he wants here if he's behind this. I dont mind Wieters if he stays healthy.

And you only have to worry about Buck getting his own way another couple years anyway.

[LookitsPuck]

And you only have to worry about Buck getting his own way another couple years anyway.

I hope they find a way to keep Buck. Don't really care too much about Duquette. But certainly need to hold on to Buck. Think he holds this organization to a standard up and down the minors to the majors as best as he can. A rarity.

[El Gordo]

Actually, the market is pretty decent. 5 decent starting catchers are available.

Which one is better than Wieters for the price?

[El Gordo]

There is no way to determine whether an OZ pitch is called a strike due to the umpire's incompetence, the pitchers shkill in reading and exploiting his strike zone or the catchers framing.

[LookitsPuck]

There is no way to determine whether an OZ pitch is called a strike due to the umpire's incompetence, the pitchers shkill in reading and exploiting his strike zone or the catchers framing.

There are a lot of people that disagree. Most far smarter than you and me.

[Superbee83]

Tonight another example of poor framing. Should be a 3rd strike to Shaffer. Next pitch double and lead gone. Also "wild pitch" that is typical Wieters poor blocking skills.

Have to disagree with you on both of these.

The pitch to Shaffer was pretty much down the middle of the plate, I could see questioning MW's framing skills if the pitch was on the corner.

While MW could have displayed better technique on the WP, ( I think that He should have kept his body in a lower position) the pitch was short of the plate and in the left handed batter's box. It was a wild pitch.

I think that MW's technique on pitch blocking has been worse since his foot injury. He is just not moving as well to his right in particular. ( That's the side this pitch was on.)

Further, He has caught something like 46 out of 51 games since the injury.

The guy is gassed.