Pedro back. (Will he opt out?)

[FlipTheBird]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Garabez Rosa 847 OPS in AA.  Plays all over including CF and RF and 3B when Manny moves to SS to spell Hardy.   Janish DFA'd to AAA. Rosa is killing lefties to a 977 OPS pace.

http://legendsondeck.com/eastern-league-player-week-2b-garabez-rosa-orioles/

Garabez Rosa is 27 years old and has only ever very scarcely played about Double-A. This is the first time he's ever actually hit. His BABIP and other numbers are way over his career averages, suggesting luck. He is not a prospect, he's an organizational body. He has played 95 percent of his career games in the infield.

He is not the answer to anything except "Who's playing second for the Bay Sox?"

[FlipTheBird]

4 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Short bench is an option. We somehow did that way longer than I expected. It depends on the starters going deep and the pen holding leads. 

Really though what would the value of doing that though?  Your basically admitting that Kim has no role. He's not a rule 5 guy. He's not under contract for next year. He's not going to build his trade value being buried further on the bench. 

DD refuses to get rid of Kim and Ubaldo. At least Ubaldo can eat innings. 

If/when Santander finally has to be added to the roster, Kim is sayonara.

[El Gordo]

12 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

If/when Santander finally has to be added to the roster, Kim is sayonara.

You mean  안녕   annyeong

[wildcard]

10 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

Garabez Rosa is 27 years old and has only ever very scarcely played about Double-A. This is the first time he's ever actually hit. His BABIP and other numbers are way over his career averages, suggesting luck. He is not a prospect, he's an organizational body. He has played 95 percent of his career games in the infield.

He is not the answer to anything except "Who's playing second for the Bay Sox?"

Maybe you are right.  But he is on a hot streak right now.   If he could help the O's for only a week or two that would be worth promoting him.   He plays everywhere for a position player and is killing lefties which would be good for a platoon in right field.

I am not saying it is something that Dan and Buck would do.   Just something I think would fit for a while.

[FlipTheBird]

Just now, wildcard said:

Maybe you are right.  But he is on a hot streak right now.   If he could help the O's for only a week or two that would be worth promoting him.   He plays everywhere for a position player and is killing lefties which would be good for a platoon in right field.

I am not saying it is something that Dan and Buck would do.   Just something I think would fit for a while.

He's never proven able to hit AAA pitching, let alone MLB pitching. It's not that simple. The stats don't just automatically translate.

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

He's never proven able to hit AAA pitching, let alone MLB pitching. It's not that simple. The stats don't just automatically translate.

The only reason to send a position player to Norfolk's Harbor Park is to screw them up.  No one does very well there.   Mancini did great at Bowie.  He did good away for Harbor Park.  He did poorly in Harbor Park.  Did that mean anything? No.   He is doing great again in the majors.   

If the O's want a position player to do well just promote him from AA.

[LookitsPuck]

2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Who is he going to PH for?  You know it won't be Hardy.

Rickard, any RHB that isn't at the top of line-up (and probably Hardy), Kim, etc.

[El Gordo]

54 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

Rickard, any RHB that isn't at the top of line-up (and probably Hardy), Kim, etc.

Basically Rickard. Not enough of a reason to option/DFA somone to make room for an occasional PH.

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, wildcard said:

Your post didn't sound like that:

"First of all, I'm not really sure there is an offensive "problem," as opposed to an offensive blip.    As of May 20, the O's were averaging 4.78 runs/game, and I believe they were 4th in the league in runs/game at that point.   Then they went into a 9-game tailspin where they scored 23 runs in 9 games. "

That makes it sound like you believe that the O's offense of May  20th was representative of what the current roster could produce but they where just in a slump since that.  Truth is that the May20, 21 was the blip  as the high point of May after scoring 21 run in two games.  Certainly not representative at all.

Have you come to conclusion that the O's could use some offensive help? 

 

 

 

Every team in the majors can use some offensive help.    I don't think the defensive cost of inserting Pedro Alvarez into our lineup is worth the mild boost he might provide.   

[webbrick2010]

On ‎4‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 1:15 PM, sportsfan8703 said:

Who is this Pedro you speak of?  Same guy in AAA that is batting an interstate vs. AAA pitching?  Do you realize the level of bums in AAA?  Just think he's hitting against the Mike Wright's and Tyler Wilson's of world every AB.  

 

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 11:24 AM, dan-O said:

His line drive rate is way up, which is weird. I want to see more fly balls, personally. I don't really know what the answer is with Davis or Trumbo right now.

 

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 4:24 PM, backwardsk said:

Chris Davis is not hitting .221.

Duquette signed him.  The same GM who brought this organization out of purgatory.

 

On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 0:22 PM, DirtyBird said:

What's the obsession with keeping Santander?

 

 

[FlipTheBird]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

The only reason to send a position player to Norfolk's Harbor Park is to screw them up.  No one does very well there.   Mancini did great at Bowie.  He did good away for Harbor Park.  He did poorly in Harbor Park.  Did that mean anything? No.   He is doing great again in the majors.   

If the O's want a position player to do well just promote him from AA.

Allow me to be more clear. Garabez Rosa is an organizational guy with no MLB future. He's only been given 87 at bats beyond AA ball, and he's been in the system since he was 18. He is now 27. He has played over 1,000 minor league baseball games and can't get past AA. Garabez Rosa is not a Major League caliber player. He's an old guy by AA standards who is off to a hot start - made apparent by his .394 BABIP, which is about 70 points above his career average.

[PaulFolk]

2 hours ago, FlipTheBird said:

The ever-streaky Pedro Alvarez is not going to solve what's ailing the O's. They don't really need offensive help, so much as they need the guys that are everyday players (namely Machado, Davis, etc.) to start freaking hitting. Alvarez wouldn't replace either of them in the lineup under any circumstances under Buck. So he's not going to fix anything by showing up and maybe having a hot week or two before following it one of his cold weeks or four.

This is exactly right, and it's why Pedro has no place on the Orioles.

Wildcard, you keep talking about how Pedro would provide offensive help, but how? Who would he be replacing in the lineup? Not Smith, who is hitting pretty well this year (aside from his recent slump) and is better defensively than Pedro. Not Mancini, who has basically hit his way into an everyday job. Not Trumbo or Davis, who are everyday players under Buck.

Basically Alvarez's only role would be as a glorified pinch-hitter. And that's not going to improve the offense the way you think it will.

[wildcard]

22 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

Allow me to be more clear. Garabez Rosa is an organizational guy with no MLB future. He's only been given 87 at bats beyond AA ball, and he's been in the system since he was 18. He is now 27. He has played over 1,000 minor league baseball games and can't get past AA. Garabez Rosa is not a Major League caliber player. He's an old guy by AA standards who is off to a hot start - made apparent by his .394 BABIP, which is about 70 points above his career average.

Ok, tell me what you really think about him. Don't hold back so much.

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, PaulFolk said:

This is exactly right, and it's why Pedro has no place on the Orioles.

Wildcard, you keep talking about how Pedro would provide offensive help, but how? Who would he be replacing in the lineup? Not Smith, who is hitting pretty well this year (aside from his recent slump) and is better defensively than Pedro. Not Mancini, who has basically hit his way into an everyday job. Not Trumbo or Davis, who are everyday players under Buck.

Basically Alvarez's only role would be as a glorified pinch-hitter. And that's not going to improve the offense the way you think it will.

I have a lot more faith in Buck to match of hitter to pitcher than that.  And do you really think all those players are stay heathy all season and not slump?  So Alvarez has hit two homers off a pitcher in the past and Smith is O for and you think Smith gets the playing time?

[sportsfan8703]

2 hours ago, wildcard said:

The only reason to send a position player to Norfolk's Harbor Park is to screw them up.  No one does very well there.   Mancini did great at Bowie.  He did good away for Harbor Park.  He did poorly in Harbor Park.  Did that mean anything? No.   He is doing great again in the majors.   

If the O's want a position player to do well just promote him from AA.

This is 100% true.  Markakis didn't play there.  Machado didn't play there.  Schoop stuggled.  Weiters struggled.  Joseph struggled there.  In fact only Reimold and Chris Parmalee are the two only players in recent memory that have had big stretches down there.  Just goes to show how much of the game is confidence, and how terrrible and overrated are pitching prospects have been.