Tim Kurkjian On Whether Orioles Should Trade Manny Machado

[PressBoxOnline]

Recently, ESPN's Buster Olney told Glenn Clark Radio the Orioles should explore the possibility of dealing Manny Machado before this year's July 31 MLB non-waiver trade deadline to try to get as much as they can for him. 

ESPN's Tim Kurkjian disagrees, and says as long as the Orioles are still in the playoff hunt, it doesn't make sense to try and trade Machado.

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2017/06/05/tim-kurkjian-if-orioles-have-chance-to-make-playoffs-they-should-keep-manny-machado

[pastorfan]

Hard to disagree with him, in my opinion. 

[esmd]

Nothing new here.  If you're in contention, wait and trade him this offseason.  If the wheels have fallen off and they're out of it by the deadline, field offers for him now, and if you get the right offer, make the deal.

[Frobby]

18 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:

We're not serious playoff contenders, fringe at best, with this pitching. I think you owe it to your fan base to explore what Machado could net you at deadline. We need to look at the big picture when Machado likely walks after 2018. To sit back and not explore the market would be criminal.

Exploring is fine by me.    I'd also like to explore an extension.    

[WEAVERMAN]

2 hours ago, PressBoxOnline said:

Recently, ESPN's Buster Olney told Glenn Clark Radio the Orioles should explore the possibility of dealing Manny Machado before this year's July 31 MLB non-waiver trade deadline to try to get as much as they can for him. 

ESPN's Tim Kurkjian disagrees, and says as long as the Orioles are still in the playoff hunt, it doesn't make sense to try and trade Machado.

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2017/06/05/tim-kurkjian-if-orioles-have-chance-to-make-playoffs-they-should-keep-manny-machado

I would first like to find out why the owner and GM aren't interested in even negotiating with MM.  

[LookitsPuck]

You need to be exploring trade opportunities, because this starting rotation and bullpen have big question marks.

[Ruzious]

1 hour ago, birdwatcher55 said:

We're not serious playoff contenders, fringe at best, with this pitching. I think you owe it to your fan base to explore what Machado could net you at deadline. We need to look at the big picture when Machado likely walks after 2018. To sit back and not explore the market would be criminal.

The O's are a bizarre team.  On paper, they shouldn't be in contention, but at this point at least - they are.

Hopefully, they - at minimum - are exploring, but does anyone think they really have?  Same situation with Britton.   

 

[Aglets]

Yea my #1 question for 2017 right now would be:

Assume Duquette wants to be a 'buyer' at the trade deadline..........what do we have to offer that would get us anything of consequence?

Sisco?

He's not moving a quality major league player if he's buying.

[sportsfan8703]

50 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

The O's are a bizarre team.  On paper, they shouldn't be in contention, but at this point at least - they are.

Hopefully, they - at minimum - are exploring, but does anyone think they really have?  Same situation with Britton.   

 

This is so true.  We're in the bottom part of the league in SP, RP and offense.  No Britton.  That's why there is room for optimism.  

[interloper]

Dan and Buck are contracted through 2018.

In my opinion, that puts the chance of a Manny Machado trade at basically zero. The duo above wants to win while they are here and neither is interested in a rebuild at this stage of their careers. It would have to come from Angelos, a guy who desperately wanted to keep Chris Davis.

No - they are seeing this thing out to the end of 2018, for better of for worse. 

[esmd]

2 hours ago, WEAVERMAN said:

I would first like to find out why the owner and GM aren't interested in even negotiating with MM.  

Maybe because they realize that the $30+ million over 8-10 years it would take to sign him is unsustainable for the Orioles franchise.  He's one player, and honestly, he's not a guy that has demonstrated the ability to carry the team.  When's the last time you can remember Machado getting a big hit late in a game to tie it up or give the Orioles the lead?  Paying him that kind of money would cripple the team.  Or, they can trade him for 3-5 prospects or young ML players, and hope to replicate the Bedard deal, setting the franchise up for success for the next several years.

The Orioles signing Manny to the kind of deal it will take to re-sign him will be like Texas signing A-Rod.

[Ruzious]

And Buster Olney said there's ZERO chance that the O's will sign Manny.  Unless someone has some information that doesn't jibe with that, I think we have to assume Buster's right.  

[Malike]

40 minutes ago, esmd said:

Maybe because they realize that the $30+ million over 8-10 years it would take to sign him is unsustainable for the Orioles franchise.  He's one player, and honestly, he's not a guy that has demonstrated the ability to carry the team.  When's the last time you can remember Machado getting a big hit late in a game to tie it up or give the Orioles the lead?  Paying him that kind of money would cripple the team.  Or, they can trade him for 3-5 prospects or young ML players, and hope to replicate the Bedard deal, setting the franchise up for success for the next several years.

The Orioles signing Manny to the kind of deal it will take to re-sign him will be like Texas signing A-Rod.

He's had 2 game winning RBI's this season so far. Are you insinuating that its been like a year or more since? His OPS is up to .738, he's coming around a bit. He's 3rd on the team in oWAR and leading the team in WAR. Is he playing like a 30m dollar player? Not right now. Are reports of his demise greatly exaggerated? I think so.

[tntoriole]

2 hours ago, WEAVERMAN said:

I would first like to find out why the owner and GM aren't interested in even negotiating with MM.  

And odds that Scott Boras let's perhaps the third best young player in baseball NOT go to free agency at this point??   Pretty much zero.   Manny ain't Matt Wieters.   And you think DD doesn't know this to be true?  Negotiations require two parties.   

Maybe right after his second knee surgery, we could have taken a huge risk and extended him at what would have seemed insane money (but, of course, will now turn out to have been the right play).   But that didn't happen.   

I agree with the idea of trading Manny and it would involve getting virtually every top prospect another organization has.   But, if not during the season,  it has to be this winter at the very latest, EVEN if we win a World Championship this season.   Because he is going to walk.  Period. 

[Frobby]

25 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

And Buster Olney said there's ZERO chance that the O's will sign Manny.  Unless someone has some information that doesn't jibe with that, I think we have to assume Buster's right.  

I listened to that interview, and came away with the impression that while that's Olney's opinion, his opinion wasn't based on any inside information.     So I don't give his opinion much weight.