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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Please explain to me how Norris was key?  Orioles' used six starters that season and five of them put up very similar stats.  How is one of those five a key to the success of a team that won its division by double digits.

Norris finished the season with 15 wins 2ndon the team and a very good Era and led in whip.  The team had solid pitching for sure but if he is not there and Ubaldo injury they may have had to bring up Gausman  earlier in the year and because of innings limit.  We also were in a race til we ran away after the deadline.   We were just a game up when we traded for Miller.  We ran away late which makes the perception we rolled through the year.  All the starters were key to the success but Ubaldo struggled at times and didn't go deep in games.  You put another guy in the rotation early on that wears out your pen they won't be as sharp like they were down the stretch.

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2 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

Norris finished the season with 15 wins 2ndon the team and a very good Era and led in whip.  The team had solid pitching for sure but if he is not there and Ubaldo injury they may have had to bring up Gausman  earlier in the year and because of innings limit.  We also were in a race til we ran away after the deadline.   We were just a game up when we traded for Miller.  We ran away late which makes the perception we rolled through the year.  All the starters were key to the success but Ubaldo struggled at times and didn't go deep in games.  You put another guy in the rotation early on that wears out your pen they won't be as sharp like they were down the stretch.

So pitching wins is the crux of your argument?

He had a nice year.

His year wasn't definitively better than that of four of their other starters.

He wasn't key.

He was however downright poor for the Orioles in both 2013 and 2015.

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1 hour ago, JohnD said:

Sisco has a .511 OPS against lefties in AAA snd he plays defense like someone who won't play catcher in the big leagues.  

So you don't play him against lefties you don't want him playing 125 starts like we used to do with Matt.  You try to get him about 100 starts or so.  Joesph gets more playing time which usually helps him with the bat.  

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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So pitching wins is the crux of your argument?

He had a nice year.

His year wasn't definitively better than that of four of their other starters.

He wasn't key.

He was however downright poor for the Orioles in both 2013 and 2015.

Glad you took one part and highlighted that I mentioned all the reasons why he was a piece to the success of the entire team.  He also was not bad in 2013 for the Orioles. He was average two of his starts were real bad and the other 7 were decent or good.   

I have read your dislike for Norris on here before so no point going back and fourth.  

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2 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

Glad you took one part and highlighted that I mentioned all the reasons why he was a piece to the success of the entire team.  He also was not bad in 2013 for the Orioles. He was average two of his starts were real bad and the other 7 were decent or good.   

I have read your dislike for Norris on here before so no point going back and fourth.  

Well I guess by the pitching wins metric he wasn't bad in 2013, afterall he was 4-3.  Dudes a winner!

He also had an ERA near 5, a WHIP of 1.678 and was worth whopping .2 rWAR in 50 innings.

 

I said he had a nice year.  He was certainly part of the winning season.  But if he was key so were 20 other guys.  The team must have looked like this.

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