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The more I think about it, the more I think it might be best to stand pat. Yes they have some relievers with some value but Brach hasn't been at his best this year and of course Britton hasn't done much. If you get someone to take O'Day's contract you do that all day but I don't want to let Brach and/or Britton go at less than top value. Of course, all of this is speculative not knowing what Duquette is being offered but I would not be devastated if they let this deadline pass. I think this team can still be competitive if they can somehow cobble together a rotation next year. If Britton can get back on a roll the last couple of months here maybe he and Machado can bring that rotation help in offseason deals. 

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3 minutes ago, vab said:

The more I think about it, the more I think it might be best to stand pat. Yes they have some relievers with some value but Brach hasn't been at his best this year and of course Britton hasn't done much. If you get someone to take O'Day's contract you do that all day but I don't want to let Brach and/or Britton go at less than top value. Of course, all of this is speculative not knowing what Duquette is being offered but I would not be devastated if they let this deadline pass. I think this team can still be competitive if they can somehow cobble together a rotation next year. If Britton can get back on a roll the last couple of months here maybe he and Machado can bring that rotation help in offseason deals. 

All possible deals are pretty much irrelevant without a Manny decision.  

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Just now, tntoriole said:

They could make a decision whether they were going to do so or not by the 31st if they had the vision. 

I really don't think we would even if we wanted to move on. Better off just waiting when it comes to him imo...especially with how the market seems to be for bats (not good). I know Manny is a rare talent and he'd still get a heck of a haul, but still.

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2 minutes ago, ISU94 said:

I really don't think we would even if we wanted to move on. Better off just waiting when it comes to him imo...especially with how the market seems to be for bats (not good). I know Manny is a rare talent and he'd still get a heck of a haul, but still.

Wait into next season and the take goes down signficantly because 1. Manny becomes a short term rental only  2. They know the Orioles are over a barrel in terms of becoming more desperate to avoid just getting a draft pick when Manny walks so the offers will go down.    Dealing him last winter would have been where the haul really came from...now it is still good, but the longer we wait the worse it will get. 

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Wait into next season and the take goes down signficantly because 1. Manny becomes a short term rental only  2. They know the Orioles are over a barrel in terms of becoming more desperate to avoid just getting a draft pick when Manny walks so the offers will go down.    Dealing him last winter would have been where the haul really came from...now it is still good, but the longer we wait the worse it will get. 

The thing is, we don't know how extension talks are going. Even if we decide to sell some pieces off I would love nothing more than to see Manny get signed long term. If they think its a possibility, then IDC if we trade him next year and the price is a bit less if there is still hope and making Manny a career Oriole. These type of players just don't come around enough to deal him unless you know he's gone.

Also, we have this winter to shop him too. Plus, the contender next year that gets him if he's moved also has the inside track to getting him signed long term and can get a feel for what they are getting. It may not be the package we'd get now...but it would still be a very large package. Whoever he gets traded to (if he does), will get a chance to get him signed long term before he goes on the open market/if he goes on the open market may have a much better chance.

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5 minutes ago, ISU94 said:

The thing is, we don't know how extension talks are going. Even if we decide to sell some pieces off I would love nothing more than to see Manny get signed long term. If they think its a possibility, then IDC if we trade him next year and the price is a bit less if there is still hope and making Manny a career Oriole. These type of players just don't come around enough to deal him unless you know he's gone.

Also, we have this winter to shop him too. Plus, the contender next year that gets him if he's moved also has the inside track to getting him signed long term and can get a feel for what they are getting. It may not be the package we'd get now...but it would still be a very large package. Whoever he gets traded to (if he does), will get a chance to get him signed long term before he goes on the open market/if he goes on the open market may have a much better chance.

I disagree with the idea that the contender we trade him to next summer will have any sort of "inside track to sign him long term."   The answer to that is Scott Boras, period.  No way, no how Manny does not go to free agency and whomever signs him gets to compete with paying the most dollars.   AND I think the team that gets him next summer (if we wait till then) will factor that into their equation and reduce their offer to us accordingly.  Plus ALL teams will by then know that we have absolutely zero leverage if we are into next season...because they will know we will get essentially zilch if we don't accept one of their offers. 

Yes, we could shop him this winter, however, we have to decide first if that is what we are going to do....namely, you can't just keep diddling around and not make him your best offer and wait around all winter long too.  

I think that Duquette and Angelos are absolutely going to screw this up, big time. 

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They already have, a long time ago I am guessing, and the decision was "no".

Exactly what it should be.

If that is the case (and I do not think so) then the only question is what are they waiting for...or are they genuinely destructive enough to just let him walk for nothing? 

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I disagree with the idea that the contender we trade him to next summer will have any sort of "inside track to sign him long term."   The answer to that is Scott Boras, period.  No way, no how Manny does not go to free agency and whomever signs him gets to compete with paying the most dollars.   AND I think the team that gets him next summer (if we wait till then) will factor that into their equation and reduce their offer to us accordingly.  Plus ALL teams will by then know that we have absolutely zero leverage if we are into next season...because they will know we will get essentially zilch if we don't accept one of their offers. 

Yes, we could shop him this winter, however, we have to decide first if that is what we are going to do....namely, you can't just keep diddling around and not make him your best offer and wait around all winter long too.  

I think that Duquette and Angelos are absolutely going to screw this up, big time. 

Manny Machado is one of the best players in baseball and the face of this franchise and has a chance to be a future HOFer. We are going to screw this up no matter what we do if Manny leaves. If there is any chance what so ever of signing him to a long term deal, I will be pissed if we trade him.

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2 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

I disagree with the idea that the contender we trade him to next summer will have any sort of "inside track to sign him long term."   The answer to that is Scott Boras, period.  No way, no how Manny does not go to free agency and whomever signs him gets to compete with paying the most dollars.   AND I think the team that gets him next summer (if we wait till then) will factor that into their equation and reduce their offer to us accordingly.  Plus ALL teams will by then know that we have absolutely zero leverage if we are into next season...because they will know we will get essentially zilch if we don't accept one of their offers. 

Yes, we could shop him this winter, however, we have to decide first if that is what we are going to do....namely, you can't just keep diddling around and not make him your best offer and wait around all winter long too.  

I think that Duquette and Angelos are absolutely going to screw this up, big time. 

When did Boras become Manny's agent?

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2 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

I disagree with the idea that the contender we trade him to next summer will have any sort of "inside track to sign him long term."   The answer to that is Scott Boras, period.  No way, no how Manny does not go to free agency and whomever signs him gets to compete with paying the most dollars.   AND I think the team that gets him next summer (if we wait till then) will factor that into their equation and reduce their offer to us accordingly.  Plus ALL teams will by then know that we have absolutely zero leverage if we are into next season...because they will know we will get essentially zilch if we don't accept one of their offers. 

Yes, we could shop him this winter, however, we have to decide first if that is what we are going to do....namely, you can't just keep diddling around and not make him your best offer and wait around all winter long too.  

I think that Duquette and Angelos are absolutely going to screw this up, big time. 

What does Scott Boras have to do with Manny Machado?

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