Can the O's reload for 2018 if they sell?

[Hallas]

It sounds like DD wants to do a partial sell aimed at a reload for 2018.  Here's who we have:

• 1B Davis
• 2B Schoop
• SS/3B Machado/???
• 3B/SS Machado/???
• LF Mancini
• CF Jones/???
• RF Jones/???
• DH Trumbo
• SP1 Bundy
• SP2 Gausman
• SP3 ???
• SP4 ???
• SP5 ???
• CL Brach

This means we'd trade O'Day, Smith, and Britton.  We can probably fill 1, maybe 2 gaps in 2018 with that collection.  Is that enough?  We've got 4 big holes: SS/3B, CF/RF, and 2 starters.  If DD sticks around he can probably pick up the relief arms and a few serviceable AAAA 5th starters.

Of course the situation gets a lot worse in 2019 if Machado leaves.

 

edit: forgot Tillman is a FA.

[crawjo]

Chris Tillman is a free agent at the end of this season.

You'd have to make very smart trades to make this happen. I don't know if it can be done. Britton and/or Brach are the only really attractive pieces that we have. Castillo and Smith might fetch something, but nothing too enticing. It's hard to see how it works, but theoretically it's not impossible. 

[Can_of_corn]

They can try but they will fail (Barring 2012 level Orioles magic).  And in falling it will just make the inevitable rebuild that much more painful.

[Bahama O's Fan]

Wouldn't Hays or Mullins fill the one of the OF spots by then?

[Bahama O's Fan]

Is there any world where Davis goes to third, Trumbo or Mancini to 1B and the other DH and Machado to SS?

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

Wouldn't Hays or Mullins fill the one of the OF spots by then?

Between Hays, Mullins, Stewart, Mountcastle and Sisco they should have left field covered.

[esmd]

Yes, but I believe they have to trade Machado to do so.

[DirtyBird]

No. Not possible without cleaning out the farm to acquire starting pitchers.

[mdbdotcom]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Between Hays, Mullins, Stewart, Mountcastle and Sisco they should have left field covered.

You could be on something. I mean, you could be on to something.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

You could be on something. I mean, you could be on to something.

I'd have a more pleasant demeanor if I were on something.

[backwardsk]

Depends on the pitching they get in return.

They'll have a lineup focused around Machado, Schoop, Mancini, Jones, Davis, and Trumbo. -- that's not bad.

Then you round that out with a catcher (Sisco), RF, and SS/3B.  Maybe that RF is Hays.  Maybe Verdugo.  Maybe Bauers.

Maybe the Dodgers cave and give up Buehler and Stewart for Britton.

Maybe Tampa gives up Honeywell.

Gausman may bounce back.  A rotation of Bundy, Buehler, Stewart, and Gausman could be potentially better than what we have this year.

You lose a lot of money from Smith, Kim, Castillo, Tillman, Britton, Brach, Miley, and Jimenez to address arbitration and free agency.

They can rebuild their pen internally and a little FA imo.

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, backwardsk said:

Depends on the pitching they get in return.

They'll have a lineup focused around Machado, Schoop, Mancini, Jones, Davis, and Trumbo. -- that's not bad.

Then you round that out with a catcher (Sisco), RF, and SS/3B.  Maybe that RF is Hays.  Maybe Verdugo.  Maybe Bauers.

Maybe the Dodgers cave and give up Buehler and Stewart for Britton.

Maybe Tampa gives up Honeywell.

Gausman may bounce back.  A rotation of Bundy, Buehler, Stewart, and Gausman could be potentially better than what we have this year.

You lose a lot of money from Smith, Kim, Castillo, Tillman, Britton, Brach, Miley, and Jimenez to address arbitration and free agency.

They can rebuild their pen internally and a little FA imo.

 

That's not particularly good either.  There is also a fair amount of variance in Schoop's and Mancini's 2018 projected performances.

[Frobby]

I'd say it's theoretically possible.   We are devoting about $35 mm to three pitchers who are sucking wind and another $14 mm to a shortstop on his last legs.    That's roughly $50 mm which, if deployed efficiently, can fill a lot of holes.    Plus you're losing some hefty reliever salaries that can be spent.    Beyond that, you have to pray that Gausman rebounds, Bundy takes another step forward and we get some contributions from our minor leaguers.   

[wildcard]

Tillman will be resigned if he pitches well in the 2nd half.  Bundy and Gausman give the O's the top three.  I think Hardy come back on a smaller one year contract.  Tejada maybe the UIF that can play SS.   Hays in right or center.  

Does Britton extend this off season?  He is a Peter favorite.  I would wait until he is a free agent.  He is extends by the miccli of the off season or he is trade.  Same with Manny.   Peter can sign who ever he wants.  Jimenez, Miley, Kim, Flaherty, Nuno and half of Hardy salary adds up to 35m.

Corn is right about too many left fielders.  Stwart, Moutcastle and Sisco could be vulnerable.

Is it possible to the O's to reload for 2018?.  Of course it is.

 

 

[backwardsk]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

That's not particularly good either.  There is also a fair amount of variance in Schoop's and Mancini's 2018 projected performances.

And Machado's.  

It's reasonable to expect 5-8 WAR among those three if they stay healthy.