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4 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

and yet another thread for Manny. :)

He hasn't been traded, yet.

Yes, I know, he most likely will, but not going to count that bridge, until I see it.

Roch has this to say:

A lot of tire kicking going on thats for sure, but I suspect teams will wait a season and then go after him.

It's not a Manny thread...its an after Manny thread, whether he is traded or not.

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58 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

If your doing a full rebuild, then you almost have to extend DD or wait until a new GM takes over. I don't want a guy entering his last year as GM making decisions that can affect the Orioles multiple years from now.

I think its a little bit silly to assume that since DD is in the last year of his contract - he doesn't care about doing a good job. He's a professional. And he obviously wouldn't want to pull off a bunch of bad deals, as that would affect his ability to get a new gig in 2019. Managers and GM's have "contract years" just like players, too.

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6 minutes ago, theocean said:

I think its a little bit silly to assume that since DD is in the last year of his contract - he doesn't care about doing a good job. He's a professional. And he obviously wouldn't want to pull off a bunch of bad deals, as that would affect his ability to get a new gig in 2019. Managers and GM's have "contract years" just like players, too.

When he was all but gone to Toronto, did he do a good job during that fiasco?

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5 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

When he was all but gone to Toronto, did he do a good job during that fiasco?

I think he tried his best.   He took some calculated risks — as he’s done every year — and they didn’t pan out, but I think his plan was reasonable.    I’ve never bought the idea that he mailed it in.

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19 hours ago, Frobby said:

They could go many directions.    But it increases the likelihood they listen to offers for other players with 1-2 years remaining on their deals.   

 

Maybe.

Or they may feel that the rest of the nucleus, plus guys coming up on the farm, plus whatever talent they get back for Manny... forms a nucleus that they can win with, and maybe they extend guys like Schoop that they feel are key parts of that.

I just wish they would be proactive with extending young, talented guys.   They  missed the boat with Manny, but it might not be too late for Schoop.

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3 hours ago, theocean said:

I think its a little bit silly to assume that since DD is in the last year of his contract - he doesn't care about doing a good job. He's a professional. And he obviously wouldn't want to pull off a bunch of bad deals, as that would affect his ability to get a new gig in 2019. Managers and GM's have "contract years" just like players, too.

A professional who during his contract tried bolting to another team? A guy in his last year cares about W/L. And he's already pulled off a bunch of bad deals over his tenure.

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2 hours ago, SteveA said:

Maybe.

Or they may feel that the rest of the nucleus, plus guys coming up on the farm, plus whatever talent they get back for Manny... forms a nucleus that they can win with, and maybe they extend guys like Schoop that they feel are key parts of that.

I just wish they would be proactive with extending young, talented guys.   They  missed the boat with Manny, but it might not be too late for Schoop.

I think this has to be the winter they extend Schoop. Probably going to take something like 7/80ish million. I may even be light on that. But another season close to last, and you can double that atleast.

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I don't blame the Orioles for not wanting to enter into 10 yr/300+ million dollar deals with anybody. What I do blame them for is not being proactive to avoid these situations. Machado should have been traded after the 2016 season if a team friendly deal could not be reached. Same with Britton. If you can't get a nice contract agreed to with Schoop, then you trade him right now. What you do not do is hold onto them until there value is reduced and them trade them for a reduced return. At this point, we have no choice but to trade Machado and Britton for pennies on the dollar. Hopefully, those turn out to be shiny pennies.

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4 hours ago, Dark Helmet said:

If your doing a full rebuild, then you almost have to extend DD or wait until a new GM takes over. I don't want a guy entering his last year as GM making decisions that can affect the Orioles multiple years from now.

Part of the process to identify what players should stay or go... is to see what management should stay or go, ideally first.  DD isn't my first choice to head a rebuild, especially if he has no stake in the process.

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9 hours ago, Dark Helmet said:

I think this has to be the winter they extend Schoop. Probably going to take something like 7/80ish million. I may even be light on that. But another season close to last, and you can double that atleast.

#1 priority in my book if the Orioles close on the Manny trade this week.  It's Manny redux, really.  But Schoop will not require near the kind of money Manny will.  Still a lot of money, but not 300+ k.  Probably more like Davis' numbers.

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26 minutes ago, AlbionHero said:

I think if we trade Manny, a bigger sell off is gonna happen. Don't really see the reason to keep around other pending free agents with value like Britton, Brach and Jones if Manny is gone.

If they decide to trade him, hopefully they'll try and move Britton and Brach first.  They've been talking with potential trade partners for a long time for both of them so they know the market.  

I'm afraid if Manny goes first then the "fire sale" word goes out and they get low-balled on Britton and Brach.  No one is low-balling on Manny so there's less of a worry there.

That said, I want them to pay Manny and trade Brach.  Trade Britton if it's a great deal or otherwise hold him until the deadline to see how the team is.

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9 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

The guy with the EVP title in Baltimore should just be known as Executive Assistant to the Managing Partner. And/or to his sons.

Dont forget the dotted line BB reporting that brings Buck and Brady into the mix.

 

It's sort of like Executive Assistant to the Managing Partner (and/or his sons)  But sorta like the UN where Buck and Brady have the power to execute or block moves, for certain reasons, at certain times, for certain occasions.  

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