Is Manny a 5 tool player?

[Can_of_corn]

17 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

bulking up his chest and arms by adding muscles for HR power, doesn't always impact the lower body parts does it?

Can you run faster carrying a ten pound bag of flour or not carrying a ten pound bag of flour?

[Aristotelian]

5 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Who is the last 5 tool player the Orioles had?

Do we have to go all the way back to Jeffrey Hammonds?

Peak Adam Jones had the five tools if you define average as BA rather than OBP. 

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Can you run faster carrying a ten pound bag of flour or not carrying a ten pound bag of flour?

Bulking up doesn't mean you had weight.

Sometimes, you trade fat cells for muscles, when you work out.

How much heavier over his 185 listed playing weight, do you think he is?

 

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

Peak Adam Jones had the five tools if you define average as BA rather than OBP. 

Wasn't my definition, I was going by Wikipedia.

You do make a very good point, and I have to agree with you.

I guess Brady too, in his peak.

So we have Hammonds and Brady, back in the 90s.

We have AJ in his prime.

Whole lot of baseball seasons into between those.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Bulking up doesn't mean you had weight.

Sometimes, you trade fat cells for muscles, when you work out.

How much heavier over his 185 listed playing weight, do you think he is?

 

I'm going to go with bulking up does mean you add weight.

If you are converting fat to muscle than you would say something like, I'm trying to get lean and build my strength.

I don't work at a carnival so I don't feel confident in guessing his weight but I'd be shocked if he wasn't over 200 with some room to spare.

[Number5]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Wasn't my definition, I was going by Wikipedia.

You do make a very good point, and I have to agree with you.

I guess Brady too, in his peak.

So we have Hammonds and Brady, back in the 90s.

We have AJ in his prime.

Whole lot of baseball seasons into between those.

Roberto Alomar.

[Redskins Rick]

2 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Roberto Alomar.

Dang, how can I forgot Robbie.

thats going back to Hammonds and Brady's era.

and I forgot about T-Bone, of course another from long ago.

 

[Redskins Rick]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm going to go with bulking up does mean you add weight.

If you are converting fat to muscle than you would say something like, I'm trying to get lean and build my strength.

I don't work at a carnival so I don't feel confident in guessing his weight but I'd be shocked if he wasn't over 200 with some room to spare.

200 pounds on 6-3 frame isn't all that bad.

But, yeah, I see it can cut down on his speed.

So, Manny is a 4 tool player. consensus agreement is.

[Tx Oriole]

43 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Since we don't have enough Manny threads. We need another.

Please leave all the trade talks to the other threads, his toolset doesn't change based on the team name on his jersey.

This is strictly a discussion on his tool-set.

I think most will agree with that the 5 tools are:

1. hitting for average;

2. hitting for power;

3. base running skills and speed;

4. throwing ability; and

5. fielder abilities ?

Hands down, he is 4 tools for sure.

He has base running skills.

So does he have enough speed to be considered a true 5 tool player?

 

 

Maybe he is a five tool player. But what's it matter? He is going to walk his way out of Baltimore for FA. To answer your question though I think he is. 

[Frobby]

He’s a 3.5 tool player, the “half” tool being hitting for average.    He’s slightly above average in that regard, but not elite.     His speed/baserunning is just average.    Still, those 3.5 tools are pretty darned good.   

How many five tool players are there, really?    Not many at all.    You can be a superstar without being a five tool player.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Tx Oriole said:

Maybe he is a five tool player. But what's it matter? He is going to walk his way out of Baltimore for FA. To answer your question though I think he is. 

Sorry, was tired of the trade not trade posts for the past month and was hoping for a baseball discussion that involved something other than that.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

He’s a 3.5 tool player, the “half” tool being hitting for average.    He’s slightly above average in that regard, but not elite.     His speed/baserunning is just average.    Still, those 3.5 tools are pretty darned good.   

How many five tool players are there, really?    Not many at all.    You can be a superstar without being a five tool player.

Cal Jr, was clearly a superstar with no speed, but he did have excellent baserunning skills.

 

[Tx Oriole]

6 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Sorry, was tired of the trade not trade posts for the past month and was hoping for a baseball discussion that involved something other than that.

No problem Rick. No need to apologize.  

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Tx Oriole said:

No problem Rick. No need to apologize.  

I wracked my head, and couldnt even remember in OH, discussing too much about 5 tools, and figured lets go for it.

[O's84]

No, he's not a 5 tool player, he's just a tool (kidding).