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Nice article posted below mentions Iglesias, Cobb, Castro, and Alberto as possibles

 

I know the Yankees are looking for pitching and haven’t made a move yet.


I like Castro but if I can get a Givens like return I move him.

I still think there is a chance Cobb is moved if the Os eat some 2021 money

Iglesias could go for a decent return, I wonder why people are calling him:a rental. He has a very friendly team option

Alberto is a wildcard for me....I’d like to see him stay and my asking price would be very high.

 

 

 

 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/nbcsports/whats-next-for-orioles-after-trades-of-tommy-milone-and-mychal-givens/2405641/

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That's your choice, but you are putting on blinders to a primary consideration in most transactions.  There are many, many trades where the money is all that matters, at least one of the teams involve

jerios55
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29 PTBNL.  Orioles leading the way with 6.  Mets owe another 3 to Texas.  Since it's been mentioned a bunch, Conine (Villar trade) was listed lower than all 3 guys we officially got back.

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The problem is that they've rarely been in a rebuild, they've always been trying to retool with a bad farm system and a middling payroll and almost no international activity.  Rebuild in 1985 was sign

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I’m thinking Elías ends up holding onto Cobb unless he gets a strong return (I assume we eat a sizable portion of the contract along with that). 
 

Cobb finishing the season Healthy with around 3.75 - 4.00 ERA would make him a viable trade asset in the offseason, so no reason to trade him for the Cashner package. 

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Poorly done article.  Not only does Iglesias have an option which means he is not a rental but also Cobb is right-handed not left-handed.

I think Iglesias and Cobb are the most likely to go.  I think the offer would have to quite high for Elias to move Alberto or Castro.  They are both still young.

I am not sure Elias is done.  I think he is still trying to make more moves.

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Poorly done article.  Not only does Iglesias have an option which means he is not a rental but also Cobb is right-handed not left-handed.

I think Iglesias and Cobb are the most likely to go.  I think the offer would have to quite high for Elias to move Alberto or Castro.  They are both still young.

I am not sure Elias is done.  I think he is still trying to make more moves.

I listened to a clip of Elias on 105.7 and he doesn’t sound like a guy that’s done.

I agree on most of your points and even mentioned my issue with calling Iglesias a rental

My thought on Castro, Fry, Scott etc is if he can reproduce the return for Givens with any of them you did it in a heartbeat.

 

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3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I listened to a clip of Elias on 105.7 and he doesn’t sound like a guy that’s done.

I agree on most of your points and even mentioned my issue with calling Iglesias a rental

My thought on Castro, Fry, Scott etc is if he can reproduce the return for Givens with any of them you did it in a heartbeat.

 

While I think it was a good return for Givens because he is a year and a month from FA, and is 30 years old,  I would want a lot more for Castro, and Scott.   They are younger, cheaper and have more years of control left.

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“Our group is still working and is very active during this trade deadline tonight and tomorrow, and we expect the conversations to continue and we’ll see if anything else takes place,” Elias said in today’s Zoom conference call with the media.

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/08/elias-on-trades-departed-players-and-status-of-rebuild.html

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

While I think it was a good return for Givens because he is a year and a month from FA, and is 30 years old,  I would want a lot more for Castro, and Scott.   They are younger, cheaper and have more years of control left.

Exactly. Scott is under control through 2024 and is still improving. Hopefully the plan is to be competitive before then. Not sure why to trade him unless the return is huge.

Fry and Castro, I don't really care about trading. I think they already are what they are going to be. So, if you can get something for them now, go ahead and deal them.

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Problem with Iglesias right now is he hasn’t been healthy enough to play the field.

Without the ability to do that his value is none. 

Cobb would be a salary dump because of his contract. Might get a decent prospect back if we eat a lot of it. 

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9 minutes ago, wildcard said:

While I think it was a good return for Givens because he is a year and a month from FA, and is 30 years old,  I would want a lot more for Castro, and Scott.   They are younger, cheaper and have more years of control left.

You are very much overrating Castro.  If we can even get one top 15 prospect for him, he should be gone. 
 

We got 2 for Givens and perhaps another high ceiling player.

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26 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You are very much overrating Castro.  If we can even get one top 15 prospect for him, he should be gone. 
 

We got 2 for Givens and perhaps another high ceiling player.

The relief market appears to be high. Castro will always have luster to some as he throws 100MPH. I think he’s is always going to be wild. I think if you can get a comparable return and assume he’s not quite as good Givens but you have more control, you make the deal. 
 

Maybe Yankees who need a starter and a reliever 

 

Cobb and Castro plus 7.5 million 

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Gil, Lajure, Lockridge, and German

 

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3 minutes ago, Philip said:

I’m surprised the Indians haven’t come to us begging for Santander.

Alberto would be genuinely useful to several teams, not sure why he’s still around.

Cobb isn’t going anywhere unless we literally give him away for cost savings. 

Santander - Maybe they have.  That does mean Elias liked what they offered.

Alberto - He is also young, cheap, several years from FA  and useful to the O's.  Apparently there   has not been an offer Elias likes.

Cobb - Cost saving may be enough.

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4 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

Alberto is a wildcard for me....I’d like to see him stay and my asking price would be very high.

 

Was thinking about Alberto when the Padres trade was announced.  A trade for someone like Trammel would have been very interesting.  Would think Alberto would be at least as valuable as Nola?

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