Cedric Mullins - 30/30 ?

[owknows]

I'd almost bet that Cedric will be running every time he sniffs the basepaths...

(although they need to be careful not to be so reckless as to impact their post-season chances)

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

It takes a good two years of defensive data to show much of anything.

Is that still true with Statcast data?  He's +7 OAA.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Is that still true with Statcast data?  He's +7 OAA.

No clue.

 

[Frobby]

33 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

When a .795 OPS is a slump, you know you've made it.

Honestly, if he did that for the next 5 years, toy wouldn’t hear me complaining.  

[DrungoHazewood]

Mullins is also on track to become one of the half-dozen best non-pitchers ever on a terrible team.  I looked at every team that's finished with a .325 or lower winning percentage since 1893.  Only four non-pitchers have ever put up a 5-win season (rWAR) on one of those 50 teams, none in my lifetime:

Rusty Staub, 1969 Expos, 6.2
Harlond Clift, 1937 Browns, 7.1
Wally Berger, 1935 Braves, 5.8
Amos Strunk, 1916 A's, 5.6

Mullins isn't going to catch Clift, who is largely forgotten but was arguably the first modern, power-hitting third baseman.  But he might approach Strunk or Berger with a good September.

For pitchers, the best might be Randy Johnson in 2004.  On a 51-111 D'backs team he threw 260 innings to a 2.60 (176 ERA+) with 290 strikeouts and 8.4 rWAR.  Ted Breitenstein also had 8.8 rWAR for the 1895 Browns, but I'd take the Unit.

[DrungoHazewood]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

No clue.

 

I would think it stabilizes much more quickly since it's basically measuring how fast does he get where he needs to be.  Question for Tom Tango.

[RZNJ]

Drungo, Steve Carlton with the Phillies didn't make that list? He had an incredible season with a terrible team.

[Frobby]

8 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Mullins is also on track to become one of the half-dozen best non-pitchers ever on a terrible team.  I looked at every team that's finished with a .325 or lower winning percentage since 1893.  Only four non-pitchers have ever put up a 5-win season (rWAR) on one of those 50 teams, none in my lifetime:

Rusty Staub, 1969 Expos, 6.2
Harlond Clift, 1937 Browns, 7.1
Wally Berger, 1935 Braves, 5.8
Amos Strunk, 1916 A's, 5.6

Mullins isn't going to catch Clift, who is largely forgotten but was arguably the first modern, power-hitting third baseman.  But he might approach Strunk or Berger with a good September.

For pitchers, the best might be Randy Johnson in 2004.  On a 51-111 D'backs team he threw 260 innings to a 2.60 (176 ERA+) with 290 strikeouts and 8.4 rWAR.  Ted Breitenstein also had 8.8 rWAR for the 1895 Browns, but I'd take the Unit.

Steve Carlton comes immediately to mind.   He went 27-10 with an ERA of 1.97 for a team that was 59-97.   That’s above your .325 threshold but it was still amazing that Carlton got the win in 46% of Philly’s wins that year.  That was good for 12.1 rWAR.

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Drungo, Steve Carlton with the Phillies didn't make that list? He had an incredible season with a terrible team.

The team wasn’t terrible enough (.378 winning %).  

[bobmc]

11 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Mullins is also on track to become one of the half-dozen best non-pitchers ever on a terrible team.  I looked at every team that's finished with a .325 or lower winning percentage since 1893.  Only four non-pitchers have ever put up a 5-win season (rWAR) on one of those 50 teams, none in my lifetime:

Rusty Staub, 1969 Expos, 6.2
Harlond Clift, 1937 Browns, 7.1
Wally Berger, 1935 Braves, 5.8
Amos Strunk, 1916 A's, 5.6

Mullins isn't going to catch Clift, who is largely forgotten but was arguably the first modern, power-hitting third baseman.  But he might approach Strunk or Berger with a good September.

For pitchers, the best might be Randy Johnson in 2004.  On a 51-111 D'backs team he threw 260 innings to a 2.60 (176 ERA+) with 290 strikeouts and 8.4 rWAR.  Ted Breitenstein also had 8.8 rWAR for the 1895 Browns, but I'd take the Unit.

This franchise has had some bad teams but some "grinders" who made the fanbase proud!  I love the way Ced plays the game!  

[Frobby]

33 minutes ago, owknows said:

I'd almost bet that Cedric will be running every time he sniffs the basepaths...

(although they need to be careful not to be so reckless as to impact their post-season chances)

He had 7 steals without being caught last month, and has been successful in 21 of his last 24 attempts.   So, he’s been picking good spots.   

[DrungoHazewood]

9 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Drungo, Steve Carlton with the Phillies didn't make that list? He had an incredible season with a terrible team.

The 1973 Phillies hold the 22nd-worst winning percentage in Phillies history.  There are looong stretches in Phillies history where they'd routinely finish 40 games out.  And for much of that time the A's weren't much better across town.  In 1942 the A's and Phils combined for 208 losses in 154 game schedules.

[HowAboutThat]

Mullins is without a doubt going to be the Os MVP. I’m wondering if whoever is second would be there merely as a courtesy, because the distance between Cedric, and whoever is second, is so far ahead of anybody else.

(that was initially terribly garbled)

Edited September 1, 2021 by Philip

[RZNJ]

4 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

The 1973 Phillies hold the 22nd-worst winning percentage in Phillies history.  There are looong stretches in Phillies history where they'd routinely finish 40 games out.  And for much of that time the A's weren't much better across town.  In 1942 the A's and Phils combined for 208 losses in 154 game schedules.

I was kinda hoping for his WAR that season compared to their record.  On my phone right now. Tough to look up.

 

Just saw Frobby's post. Great, old minds think alike.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Philip said:

Mullins is without a doubt going to be the Os MVP. I’m wondering if whoever is second would be there merely as a courtesy, because the distance between Cedric, and Defense on office and on the basis, is so far ahead of anybody else.

Maybe Means. Maybe Mountcastle.