Josh Rogers Another Great Start

[Matt Bennett]

He didn't look like much (albeit probably pitching injured in 2019 when we saw him?) but I did think it was a curious release so soon after his recovery. 

[Sports Guy]

The ONLY thing worth questioning here is was he a guy you cut when you have so many garbage options to get rid?  

[Moose Milligan]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The ONLY thing worth questioning here is was he a guy you cut when you have so many garbage options to get rid?  

How do you tell which garbage to get rid of and which garbage to keep giving chances?  

[Sports Guy]

13 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

How do you tell which garbage to get rid of and which garbage to keep giving chances?  

Well that’s the thing.  That’s where the discussion is.  Why keep Spencer Watkins over him?  
 

That’s the type of question to ask.  
 

The conversation the poster wants to have is Elias sucks and doesn’t know talent and he is referencing 17 IP from a not so good pitcher.  That’s a dumb conversation to have.

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Well that’s the thing.  That’s where the discussion is.  Why keep Spencer Watkins over him?  
 

That’s the type of question to ask.  
 

The conversation the poster wants to have is Elias sucks and doesn’t know talent and he is referencing 17 IP from a not so good pitcher.  That’s a dumb conversation to have.

Certainly.  But again, I think it's a troll job.  Is Josh Rogers the hill to die on?  No.  

 

 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Certainly.  But again, I think it's a troll job.  Is Josh Rogers the hill to die on?  No.  

 

 

Well almost every one of his posts is a troll job. 

[7Mo]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Certainly.  But again, I think it's a troll job.  

 

 

As OP did with Rogers, you might be giving too much credit. 

[Moose Milligan]

6 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

As OP did with Rogers, you might be giving too much credit. 

Maybe.  Someone else said it earlier, the guy starts a new thread every time Rogers has a good outing.  It's weird.

[Moose Milligan]

8 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Well almost every one of his posts is a troll job. 

Eh, maybe.  Some are certainly off-beat but he's a masterful troll if that's the case.

[7Mo]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Maybe.  Someone else said it earlier, the guy starts a new thread every time Rogers has a good outing.  It's weird.

If Elias gives out candy on Halloween, Nelson will blame him for worldwide diabetes. 

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

How do you tell which garbage to get rid of and which garbage to keep giving chances?  

This is where you hope your system with using statcast and your professional scouts and player evaluators give you the best options. The Orioles kept a lot of "Dime a dozen AAA" pitchers over Rogers who they just gave away for no reason. I think it's fair to ask why he was released when his stuff is comparable or even better than Alex Wells who was placed on the 40-man roster? 

I'm not saying Rogers is the second coming or that the other shoe won't drop unless his command has suddenly and dramatically improved, but as I showed in a previous post, how can you look at his stuff vs Wells and have him on the 40-man roster while he was given away when the team knew they were going to need a lot of arms this year?

I think its a fair question to ask. 

He was released on June 1st. What made the Orioles look at him and say he has no value to the team this year and why did he suddenly start pitching better with the Nationals organization after being terrible since 2018 with the Orioles. 

It's four starts, but again, look at the improvement and depth of his changeup vs the Orioles left-handed starters who besides Means have not developed a good changeup. Akin has the best one overall but struggles to consistently command it, but Wells, Lowther and when you watch Rom, you see a similar poor changeup.

I think it's speaks to a larger problem with the "system" as well as the new development guys they brought in to over see pitching development. 

Who suddenly looks better in the organization? Lowther, Wells, and Baumann stuff have not looked very good, and Kevin Smith and Kyle Bradish have not exactly lit it up in AAA. Akin ha always been inconsistent so I can't blame that on anyone but himself.

But for a second, let's critically think through things and not just stop at the easy thing and say, "It's only 3 starts". It is only three starts at the major league level, but he also pitched better in AAA than he has since 2018. 

I'm not making any proclamations, but I am saying it's worth keeping an eye on.

The same same system and evaluators said to protect Isaac Mattis over Zach Pop. 

I haven't seen one prospect pitcher come to the majors and look impressive and i haven't seen anyone in the minor leagues who suddenly learned a new pitch or suddenly looks completely different in a good way. 

Let's just say I am highly suspect of the Sig's system to evaluate pitchers and the Orioles ability to develop pitching.

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

 

Well that’s the thing.  That’s where the discussion is.  Why keep Spencer Watkins over him

I don’t know when we picked up Watkins, but they are different pitchers and maybe Watkins had more of what they want?
Or possibly they poo-poo any pitchers brought on board by the previous regime?

I hope Watkins gets another chance, but I admit that’s probably just fandom.

[Sports Guy]

34 minutes ago, Philip said:

Or possibly they poo-poo any pitchers brought on board by the previous regime?

 

I have wondered this myself.

[HowAboutThat]

@NelsonCruuuuuz

I appreciate your thoughts, but I would like to highly recommend that you become a paying member here. Tony works hard to keep the site going, and it is a token of gratitude and respect to cough up a lousy 24 bucks. So, that’s my two cents.

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

Or possibly they poo-poo any pitchers brought on board by the previous regime?

 

If this is true, this is dumb.  I can't imagine anyone who'd be this dumb.