The Mullins market

[DrinkinWithFermi]

On 3/29/2022 at 9:07 AM, Sports Guy said:

Whether you call up GRod then or in July, it changes nothing.

 

Untrue, you run the risk of him earning a full year of service time if he plays well enough to be a finalist for ROY thanks to the new CBA, which is something GrayRod could absolutely achieve given enough time at the MLB level, and which would be a complete waste in another tanking season like 2022. He most likely won't be up until that is no longer realistically possible.

On 3/29/2022 at 8:52 AM, wildcard said:

I am not sure that punting is the right term.

We made no effort to improve the team, I would call that punting but ymmv.

On 3/29/2022 at 8:52 AM, wildcard said:

I think this is a development year that sees several important prospects graduate to the majors.

That was going to happen no matter what, they still could have done more to set the team up for success going forward than sign Odor, Lyles, and some scrap heap guys (not that Odor and Lyles aren't scrap heap guys themselves really).

[Can_of_corn]

6 hours ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Untrue, you run the risk of him earning a full year of service time if he plays well enough to be a finalist for ROY thanks to the new CBA, which is something GrayRod could absolutely achieve given enough time at the MLB level, and which would be a complete waste in another tanking season like 2022. He most likely won't be up until that is no longer realistically possible.

We made no effort to improve the team, I would call that punting but ymmv.

That was going to happen no matter what, they still could have done more to set the team up for success going forward than sign Odor, Lyles, and some scrap heap guys (not that Odor and Lyles aren't scrap heap guys themselves really).

It wouldn't be a complete waste if it came with an extra draft pick.

[Roll Tide]

6 hours ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Untrue, you run the risk of him earning a full year of service time if he plays well enough to be a finalist for ROY thanks to the new CBA, which is something GrayRod could absolutely achieve given enough time at the MLB level, and which would be a complete waste in another tanking season like 2022. He most likely won't be up until that is no longer realistically possible.

We made no effort to improve the team, I would call that punting but ymmv.

That was going to happen no matter what, they still could have done more to set the team up for success going forward than sign Odor, Lyles, and some scrap heap guys (not that Odor and Lyles aren't scrap heap guys themselves really).

Possible…but I doubt he’d pitch enough innings to be considered a serious threat to the ROY.  He pitched 23 innings last year. Giving even 100 innings this year would be reckless.

[Sports Guy]

18 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Possible…but I doubt he’d pitch enough innings to be considered a serious threat to the ROY.  He pitched 23 innings last year. Giving even 100 innings this year would be reckless.

He threw 100 innings last year.

 

[Sports Guy]

7 hours ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Untrue, you run the risk of him earning a full year of service time if he plays well enough to be a finalist for ROY thanks to the new CBA, which is something GrayRod could absolutely achieve given enough time at the MLB level, and which would be a complete waste in another tanking season like 2022. He most likely won't be up until that is no longer realistically possible.

We made no effort to improve the team, I would call that punting but ymmv.

That was going to happen no matter what, they still could have done more to set the team up for success going forward than sign Odor, Lyles, and some scrap heap guys (not that Odor and Lyles aren't scrap heap guys themselves really).

No, it’s not untrue.  It doesn’t matter when you bring him up as you gain the extra year as soon as we get into May.  If the goal is the gain the extra year, that’s all you have to do.

Yes, the earlier you bring him up, the more susceptible you are to the new rule fl(but it’s not a guarantee you lose the year) but if he misses the first 4-6 weeks of the season, it will make it that much harder on him because he will have an innings limit this year, so he will only be able to pitch so much.

And if he is that good that he can miss time and not throw as many innings and he still ends up top 2, that’s good for the future anyway.  Plus, he’s a pitcher, who knows how long his arm holds up. 
 

[DrinkinWithFermi]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

It wouldn't be a complete waste if it came with an extra draft pick.

That only applies if he is on the OD roster though, I believe. I don't think tgere is any chance of that happening.

45 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

No, it’s not untrue.  It doesn’t matter when you bring him up as you gain the extra year as soon as we get into May.  If the goal is the gain the extra year, that’s all you have to do.

It is untrue if he's a ROY finalist. You're simply wrong here.

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

Possible…but I doubt he’d pitch enough innings to be considered a serious threat to the ROY.  He pitched 23 innings last year. Giving even 100 innings this year would be reckless.

You're thinking of Hall, I believe. GrayRod threw significantly more than 23 innings.

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

That only applies if he is on the OD roster though, I believe. I don't think tgere is any chance of that happening.

It is untrue if he's a ROY finalist. You're simply wrong here.

You're thinking of Hall, I believe. GrayRod threw significantly more than 23 innings.

Yes, if he wins it.  However, once he gets past the threshold, the extra year kicks in.

Your point is a hypothetical.  Mine is the actual rule.  So no, we don’t need to wait a while to gain the year.  Waiting a while helps to protect the extra year but it doesn’t give it to them.  There is a difference.

If he is pitching well, they aren’t waiting until July or later to bring him up.

[Yardball85]

Mullins Comp?  .912 OPS last year, poor OPS in the shortened 2020 season.  The Padres could be a good match for Mullins with their loaded system. 

[SteveA]

3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, if he wins it.  However, once he gets past the threshold, the extra year kicks in.

Your point is a hypothetical.  Mine is the actual rule.  So no, we don’t need to wait a while to gain the year.  Waiting a while helps to protect the extra year but it doesn’t give it to them.  There is a difference.

If he is pitching well, they aren’t waiting until July or later to bring him up.

For someone who occasionally appoints himself Thread Police and tells people what thread they should post in, you are spending an awful lot of time talking about Grayson Rodriguez in a Cedric Mullins thread.

[Frobby]

4 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, if he wins it.  However, once he gets past the threshold, the extra year kicks in.

Your point is a hypothetical.  Mine is the actual rule.  So no, we don’t need to wait a while to gain the year.  Waiting a while helps to protect the extra year but it doesn’t give it to them.  There is a difference.

If he is pitching well, they aren’t waiting until July or later to bring him up.

The whole point that was being made is that the O’s would/should delay Grayson’s debut until it’s really unlikely he could finish top 2 in ROY.   But I don’t think the O’s will worry about that.   If he pitches well in AAA we’ll see him sometime in May IMO.

[Sports Guy]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The whole point that was being made is that the O’s would/should delay Grayson’s debut until it’s really unlikely he could finish top 2 in ROY.   But I don’t think the O’s will worry about that.   If he pitches well in AAA we’ll see him sometime in May IMO.

Yea, it’s a poor point.  I’m not concerned with that.  As soon as he gains what is the extra year, bring him up. I mean, are they going to do the same thing for Adley?

[jamalshw]

2 hours ago, Yardball85 said:

Mullins Comp?  .912 OPS last year, poor OPS in the shortened 2020 season.  The Padres could be a good match for Mullins with their loaded system. 

Padres would be an interesting fit, but not sure I'm all that interested in Paddack and/or Weathers as key pieces back.  

[bpilktree]

The A.L is loaded with prospects this season it is not a year where you can miss 50 games and finish at the top of the ROY rankings.  You have Rodriguez, Witt, Tolkerson, and Pena.  All these guys are getting a full season so you cant miss a third of the season and win the award.  

[Frobby]

17 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yea, it’s a poor point.  I’m not concerned with that.  As soon as he gains what is the extra year, bring him up. I mean, are they going to do the same thing for Adley?

Well, it takes very little time to gain the extra year if you ignore the ROY issue.  This year Grayson couid be up on April 18 and not reach a full year of service.  I don’t think he’ll be up quite that quickly.   At most he we’ll have made 3 AAA starts by then.  I’m guessing they’ll give him at least 6-8.    

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

The A.L is loaded with prospects this season it is not a year where you can miss 50 games and finish at the top of the ROY rankings.  You have Rodriguez, Witt, Tolkerson, and Pena.  All these guys are getting a full season so you cant miss a third of the season and win the award.  

Unless you do better.