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Can I ask what you consider a "competitive team" to be in 2022. And what do you think it takes for a 110 loss team to become a competitive team in one season? How do they even do that? Who do you thin

Moose Milligan
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Matz to the Cardinals, 4 years/44 million. That's Ubaldo money. That's Cobb money.  That's a contract this team easily could have afforded.  Even if they had to pay a little extra because we suck

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I guess I really don't understand this reaction, or the desire to start accumulating the same kind of contracts that got us into this mess. Your post says it all really.. although maybe you didn'

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9 minutes ago, owknows said:

They pretty obviously were not ready for the majors.

 

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Or they just aren’t that good.  They certainly pitched enough in the minors and were the proper ages at the levels they pitched at.

You can't just keep them in the minors and eventually they become viable major league pitchers.

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16 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Or they just aren’t that good.  They certainly pitched enough in the minors and were the proper ages at the levels they pitched at.

Innings at AAA before seeing the majors:

Dean Kremer 19

Bruce Zimmermann 38.2

Keegan Akin 112

Zac Lowther 0

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4 hours ago, now said:

Intriguing. Can you say more what you see as "repetitional risk" in terms of O's offseason activities? And how that relates to media and social media perceptions? (Or is that something else, "reputational risk"?)

Pretty much what it says.  Businesses need to be aware of their reputations across different stakeholders; Customers, employees (e.g. players), shareholders, regulators, etc.  There are various consequences when any of these stakeholders have a negative impression (e.g. attacking new business, hiring/retaining employees, lower share price, regulatory issues/fines).  So the idea is to try as best as possible to measure the rep risk.  Social media impressions is one of the ways you could do this.  We use a data company that will measure the number of negative mentions of the company on social media vs. all mentions.  

Rep Risk management is evolving, but big companies are definitely paying a lot of attention to it.   Some sports teams may pay more attention than others, but at this stage it doesn't appear to be something the O's are too worried about!

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40 minutes ago, owknows said:

Innings at AAA before seeing the majors:

Dean Kremer 19

Bruce Zimmermann 38.2

Keegan Akin 112

Zac Lowther 0

So?  
 

Zimmerman was fine in the majors and Akin had thrown enough MiL innings.

Kremer and Lowther are old enough.  
 

There is zero evidence that you must have AAA time to be successful.  Players are allowed to develop in the majors.  
 

I mean, what exactly do you want?  You think it’s fine to not sign players and keep on this path yet you don’t think the players should be up here?  How does that work exactly?  How do we learn if guys are ready and not block them but also not bring them up?  

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4 hours ago, now said:

Intriguing. Can you say more what you see as "repetitional risk" in terms of O's offseason activities? And how that relates to media and social media perceptions? (Or is that something else, "reputational risk"?)

And as far as the O's offseason, certainly seems to be a lot of chatter about the lack of interesting in putting a competitive team on the field.  Was it the Buster tweet?  So what are the consequences of things like that?  Could make it harder to sign good players in the future.  Less interest in customers buying tickets.  And the league could step in and start changing the rules (similar to regulatory issues in business).  I'm sure there is a lot more to consider here as well.

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THe sequence of this discussion is as follows:

Wildcard: I think a big part of the young pitchers failure is that they were rushed IMO.   Most if not all hardly pitched at AAA and when they did they were not very good. 

SportsGuy: Lol...now the starters were rushed. Gotta love it.

owknows: They were pretty obviously not ready for the majors

SportsGuy: Or they just weren't that good. They certainly pitched enough in the minors. And were the proper ages at the level the pitched at.

owknows:

Innings at AAA before seeing the majors:

Kremer 19

Zimmerman 38

Akin 112

Lowther 0

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This exchange is very characteristic of the dynamic on this forum. Wildcard says something very obviously true. That the core of young starters had very little MLB experience between them.

Sports Guy (who seethes whenever Wildcard says anything at all) feels compelled to not only disagree, but be pretty smarmy about it.

Owknows posts the actual data in support of Wildcard's original assertion. That the 4 starters who had a rough go of the majors, didn't have a whole lot of AAA experience.

He goes on to suggest that the complete lack of pitching time in 2020 probably didn't help matters.

CanoCorn jumps into the fray in an attempt to support SG and suggests that AAA is just a useless charade.

SG goes on an extended hand-waving and genuflecting binge, all to deflect from the fact that Wildcard was right (which SG truly can't abide)

It plays out like the movie Groudhog's day... time and time again.

 

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