Grayson Rodriguez 2022

[Tony-OH]

21 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

It’s a good thing they have been so careful with him and helped him avoid a major setback.

I really think they were trying to get him to avoid Super-2 status. They've been super careful with their top two pitching prospects with pitch counts and innings and both have now ended up on the IL for serious time. 

I'm not saying they caused either injury, but I am agreeing with you that their process for developing pitchers at an extremely careful rate has shown no ability to keep pitchers any healthier.

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

 

Don’t you guys ever tire of making the same joke over and over?

The sad parts are they are trying to be sarcastic, but as we've seen, the sarcasm has been more right than wrong unfortunately.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

58 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yes, extremely.  Would be nice if this late in the process the joke was no longer relevant.

It's a coping mechanism for me to help dealing with the blistering pace of this rebuild. 

[fansince71]

At what point does GR say look, I’m pitching again this year and that’s the end of the story. Show some damn competitiveness and tell Elias where he can take his babying of pitchers.

[ChuckS]

If Grayson is going to come back to the minors this year just to build up innings (when the season is practically over) or just to get more experience (when he’s already proven everything he needs to in Triple A) then what is the point?

I’m either bringing him up to Baltimore as soon as he’s healthy to get valuable big league experience or shutting him down for the year. You could even have him come out of the bullpen.  I don’t see the value of having him come back just to throw 20 innings in the minor leagues in September. Better to just keep resting the lat if that’s the only other option. 

[Chaka Garcia]

Should GRod make up the innings at the Fall league if September doesn’t happen?

[Sports Guy]

7 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

If Grayson is going to come back to the minors this year just to build up innings (when the season is practically over) or just to get more experience (when he’s already proven everything he needs to in Triple A) then what is the point?

I’m either bringing him up to Baltimore as soon as he’s healthy to get valuable big league experience or shutting him down for the year. You could even have him come out of the bullpen.  I don’t see the value of having him come back just to throw 20 innings in the minor leagues in September. Better to just keep resting the lat if that’s the only other option. 

Another 20-30 innings this year could mean another 50-80 innings next year.  If he’s healthy enough to pitch, he absolutely should come back and pitch.  And really, if the intention is to start him with the team on OD next year, let him get a few starts up here just to experience it.

[Frobby]

3 hours ago, ChuckS said:

If Grayson is going to come back to the minors this year just to build up innings (when the season is practically over) or just to get more experience (when he’s already proven everything he needs to in Triple A) then what is the point?

I’m either bringing him up to Baltimore as soon as he’s healthy to get valuable big league experience or shutting him down for the year. You could even have him come out of the bullpen.  I don’t see the value of having him come back just to throw 20 innings in the minor leagues in September. Better to just keep resting the lat if that’s the only other option. 

The only other reason I can think of is to build up innings so that he’s not working from such a low base next year.   But honestly I agree with you.  Let’s get some idea of whether he can get major league hitters out, and give him some feel for what he needs to work on in the offseason.   

[Just Regular]

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/75104/grayson-rodriguezs-lat-strain-will-slow-his-ascent-but-wont-dim-his-ceiling/

BP this morning...some comps from their injury database:

According to Baseball Prospectus’ Recovery Dashboard, there have been eight latissimus strains incurred by MLB pitchers since 2016 with the median number of days missed coming in at 33. However, the majority were either reported as or appear to have been Grade 1 injuries based on the lower number of days missed. Ryan Cook, Boone Logan, and Richard Bleier likely suffered more severe strains as their days missed equaled 183, 73, and 108, respectively.

[Going Underground]

The Tides season does end a little later this year,September 28th 

Bowie the 18th and Aberdeen the 11th 

 

[Sports Guy]

 

[Just Regular]

Passan feature on the demise of the SP, with Alek Manoah (promoted to MLB after 35 minors innings, btw) saying the things I imagine Grayson would also say, unless Elias-Sig-Blood culture efforts are radically great.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/34196864/dying-breed-sucks-decline-starting-pitcher-means-baseball-future

Some snippets that jumped out at me on first read:

"Everyone's here guessing," one National League farm director says. "Even the doctors don't know. Pitching is just a hard thing to do."

"It's math. It's real," says Theo Epstein, the World Series-winning executive who now works as a consultant for MLB. "If you're looking to just optimize for one game, of course you'd rather have a fresh reliever than a starter third time through. But when every team takes that approach there's a real cost to the industry. We lose the identity of the starting pitcher as a prominent character in the drama day in and day out."

One team, the Los Angeles Dodgers' Single-A affiliate Rancho Cucamonga, leaves its starters in for an average of 2.9 innings

There's an elegant solution to fix it, one that Epstein espouses to anyone in the commissioner's office, ownership circles and front offices who will listen: limit pitchers on the active roster to 11

When a majority of relievers are paid less than $1 million a year and effective, proven starters command 20 times that, there's a cost-saving element plenty of owners won't ignore.

 

 

[Can_of_corn]

Love his quotes.

I think a lot more players are like him than the wilting flowers folks here are afraid of having their psyches damaged by a bit of adversity.

Also of note, the lessened workload doesn't seem to be helping prevent injuries.

[ChosenOne21]

22 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Also of note, the lessened workload doesn't seem to be helping prevent injuries.

Pitchers are throwing harder than ever, too, which probably cancels out some of the benefit from lighter workloads.

There has to be some reduction in injuries from lighter workloads. Average people don't suddenly need Tommy John from going about their daily lives. Whether that reduction is statistically or practically significant, I can't say

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Pitchers are throwing harder than ever, too, which probably cancels out some of the benefit from lighter workloads.

There has to be some reduction in injuries from lighter workloads. Average people don't suddenly need Tommy John from going about their daily lives. Whether that reduction is statistically or practically significant, I can't say

Sure.

I've never suggested that you abuse guys.

But I think it's ridiculous when a 6'5" 220 pound 22 year old and he's on a more restrictive pitch limit than when he was pitching in High School.